Desperate for coal

[zoleeeee28]

Hi

Am a bit stuck with Peru. I started to build up my economy, am at +20k, but i cant get enough coal for my economy, and its necessary for many industries. I have no coal mine within my borders, and there are very few countries where i can import it from. If i understood correctly, i need to declare interest for other areas to be able to have diplomatic connection (even establish trade) with new countries, but i have no interest point right now. I have read, that naval bases can give those points, i have built up two bases (both lvl 1), and i have seen, that with full employment they give 0.1. Does it mean, that if i upgrade both of them to lvl 5, both of them will give 0.5, which is 1 in total, is that enough to declare interest? Or how many points do i need?

[kgkong]

Upgrade your navy and build up some prestige, get yourself a diplomatic interest to claim, claim it, and start trading.

[Dray Prescot]

YES, 10 Naval Bases will give you 1 additional Interest Point, beyond what you get for your (probably very low) Status in the World. Each Naval Base adds 0.1 of an Interest point (after it grows for awhile).

But beware, 10 Naval Bases could add roughly 1.5K to your military support costs (per week).

added: or as KingGorrilaKong suggests build more Ports and Barracks and increase the size of your Navy and Army, and raise your standing in the World via Prestige.

[Supply Slut]

You automatically get diplomatic interest in your own region for free, so if a state has coal in your region you can pursue that option without needing to increase the number of diplomatic plays.

But otherwise, yes, getting up to a total of +1 will allow you to declare interest in another region. Once that gets implemented (you have to declare it and wait for the interest to take root basically), you will be able to make diplomatic plays for nations/states in that region (barring other limitations). You probably need less than +1 from naval bases alone since you get points from other sources too.

You also might want to use army barracks to increase this number, as you may end up going to war with a nation you share a land border.

In addition to naval bases and barracks, simply upgrading the production methods for either of these buildings can increase the rate per level that you gain.

[Dray Prescot]

That is fast, 3 responses in 20 minutes from the time the message was posted!

[kgkong]

Originally posted by Dray Prescot:

That is fast, 3 responses in 20 minutes from the time the message was posted!

Zoleee has been very chill and curious about trying to get the hang of the game despite the options. I'm happy to see so many people quickly and politely offering the help!

[D34DLY]

Or just attack your immediate neighbors that touch your border.

[Toblm]

Originally posted by zoleeeee28:

Hi

Am a bit stuck with Peru. I started to build up my economy, am at +20k, but i cant get enough coal for my economy, and its necessary for many industries. I have no coal mine within my borders, and there are very few countries where i can import it from.

Invade Chile.

[Dray Prescot]

In my 1886 date game as Sweden, I can find Coal being produced in the Markets (NOT Imported) for both Peru and Ecuador. I am not sure exactly where the coal mines are actually located.

added: I checked and found them, do you own this State? (see screenshot)

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2901005586

When I checked Ecuador I found 20 Coal of the State of Pastaza, and 28 Coal in the Capital State of Ecuador.

So you should be able to find some Coal Mines very close to Peru, look to border area with Ecuador.

So either try Trading with Ecuador, or conquering those States.

I am playing a game started under 1.1 (I think).

more added: In my game, the State of Pastaza is a split State, part owned by Peru and part owned by Ecuador, with the Coal mines split between them.
Plus with the Capital State of Ecuador having additional Coal Mines.
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Perhaps they have to be discovered, first.

In your Game how strong militarily are you compared to Ecuador?

If Ecuador controls Pastaza in your game, try to conquer it from them, maybe even the Capital of Ecuador as well, or else force them to join your Customs Union, or even just a Trade Pact with Ecuador.

[zoleeeee28]

Wow thank you for the quick and helpful answers, i really appreciate it.

Am not sure, that i can start a war, because all 3 neighbors (Bolivia, Brazil and Ecuador) are in a defensive pact with another country, and right now i cant form any alliances with anyone, so in a war i would be alone. Thats why i thought for now i will try to get coal in a diplomatic way.

The resources are a bit different in my game (i tried Historical Population Growth & Resources), and in this mod the closest coal mine is in Tacuman state (in Argentina, and between us we have Bolivia) and Cauca states (its in New Granada, and between us we have Ecuador). Maybe i should not have enabled this mod.

If i check the declared interest mapmode, I have currently interests on Ecuador, Bolivia, and one state of Argentina. And basically now am importing all coal I can, 141 units with 5 trade routes, while the demand of my industry is almost 300. So I need to figure out something asap.

A question: if I can import only from territories, where I have interest already (or maybe I misunderstood something), why can I import from russia, austria etc? I don’t have interest there yet.

[Dray Prescot]

Pick your most critical uses (by industries) for coal, and then change Production Methods (PMs) for the non critical uses to PMs that do not use coal, so they can operate without the coal.

[kgkong]

A question: if I can import only from territories, where I have interest already (or maybe I misunderstood something), why can I import from russia, austria etc? I don’t have interest there yet.

As long as any nation has an interest in a region and are conducting trade with someone in that region, you can usually have access to their trade market as well. Depends on a few other factors as well. But if they have physically territory you get unrestricted access as long as their states aren't suffering from market access loss.

Try and colonize an uncolonized state in the regions you have interest in even if it's just for the coal.

[teron]

For example early game there is uncolonized states north of Japan that have coal which you could grab before Russia grabs it.

Or you could try forcing Madagascar to be a puppet since they have coal, and later rule directly

[albertos]

Btw if you put interest on area with british market you can import their coal. In 1880’s they provide my scandivavian economy with 7k of coal

[dbix11]

Originally posted by Dray Prescot:

YES, 10 Naval Bases will give you 1 additional Interest Point, beyond what you get for your (probably very low) Status in the World. Each Naval Base adds 0.1 of an Interest point (after it grows for awhile).

But beware, 10 Naval Bases could add roughly 1.5K to your military support costs (per week).

added: or as KingGorrilaKong suggests build more Ports and Barracks and increase the size of your Navy and Army, and raise your standing in the World via Prestige.

10 naval bases seems like such an excessive amount to get an interest, id like to see that number lowered or interests being based off something more attainable

[teron]

Originally posted by dbix11:

Originally posted by Dray Prescot:

YES, 10 Naval Bases will give you 1 additional Interest Point, beyond what you get for your (probably very low) Status in the World. Each Naval Base adds 0.1 of an Interest point (after it grows for awhile).

But beware, 10 Naval Bases could add roughly 1.5K to your military support costs (per week).

added: or as KingGorrilaKong suggests build more Ports and Barracks and increase the size of your Navy and Army, and raise your standing in the World via Prestige.

10 naval bases seems like such an excessive amount to get an interest, id like to see that number lowered or interests being based off something more attainable

It 10 per interest on the basic PM. Once you get to battleships, each navel base is 0.2, so it would be 5 per interest.

Plus if it were lower, then the great powers would have more interests everywhere