In this game communism actually works, so It´s an inaccurate simulation.

[Maximvs]

In this game communism actually works, not only in a democratic way but also in an economic way.

In reality it failed miserably in both, democracy and human rights and more so in economic efficacy and efficiency.

The problem I see is that this game threat marxists "political theories" or " political ideas" as they were laws of nature. As an example, in theory theocratic goverments should be the perfect goverment, because "is the goverment of god" what´s more perfect than that ? well... the reallity doesn´t work like demagogues, power mongerers or just naive people say or belive it works.

In a communism Economy is stagnant and desicions need a lot of burocratic layers: as an example to fire or hire a worker is not as "easily" as in a private factory, also to move a businness or change production ( make chairs instead of tables ) or slaughter more or less animals, even cut a tree, all the controls, forms, autorization to change or innovate even in emergency situation relies in some sort of burocratic control and accountable. Even change a truck tire ( buy the new one)

All of this make corruption rampart, and people working behind and parallell to the system, somethimes just no taking decicions for the fear of punisment or plain fatigue of burocratic work.

As an example China was pretty poor until it change the system towards a more liberal economic system ( while not full liberal, in game cound be interventionist) same for Vietnam, and all eastern ex-Russian satellite countries.

Cuba and North Korea are the only communist economies today and the results are pretty lean and obvious.

It´s hard to represent corruption, stagnation, autocraric despotism and plain stupidity in game. So for a " solution " for this I would suggest the following:

All factories and production buildings consumes bureaucracy. As all productive decicions are taken from goverment top to bottom and then the response have to go from bottom to top it required a lot of bureaucrats.

Efficiency of factories and RGO should be seriously diminished by default (underproduction, ineffciency, plain steal, politicking ) If you want to avoid this you should use an Autoritary decree ( a new one) or pay a burocratic cost.

That´s a solution for the game as it´s current game system works, it represent, more or less, the "historical materialism" de facto, and all humans in game are honest, robots and predictable in it tastes and decicions.

[V]

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RandyNewman の投稿を引用：

OK, I'm sorry for all that, but... this is dumb

It's a lot of people simply repeating what they were told without considering the historical, political, or economic contexts. Also a lot of cold war propaganda and general ignorance on the topics; as educated populations tend to ask too many questions regarding the status quo.

Oh thank the gods someone else said it. Like seriously, 90% of everything everyone in here has said is either blatantly false, or so mired by propaganda that any grain of truth is buried under a beach of falsehoods.

Unlike almost everyone else in this thread, I've actually gotten to visit a communist country, and it is absolutely nothing like the West pretends. You know what the worst part about Vietnam is? The climate. At least for me bc I have asthma. Everyone wants to talk ♥♥♥♥ about them, while completely ignoring the fact that the USA tried to invade and decimate them with a war started by a false flag attack. The US has been proven to be the bad guy SO MANY TIMES. Iran-Contra, CIA drug trafficking, United Fruit, torturing innocent bystanders in the middle east, indefinitely detaining anyone they want in GitMo, being one of two countries out of every other single country in the UN to vote no on lifting the blockade and embargo on Cuba, despite decades of repeat confirmations from the international community that the accusations of human rights abuses in Cuba are absolutely unsubstantiated, training the Taliban because they didn't want Afghanistan being friends with the Soviets, training literal terrorists in south america that massacre entire villages, including infants. Like exactly how much does the US actually have to do until people realize that they have never been the good guys?

[Kimlin]

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AmesNFire の投稿を引用：

It's a lot of people simply repeating what they were told without considering the historical, political, or economic contexts. Also a lot of cold war propaganda and general ignorance on the topics; as educated populations tend to ask too many questions regarding the status quo.

Oh thank the gods someone else said it. Like seriously, 90% of everything everyone in here has said is either blatantly false, or so mired by propaganda that any grain of truth is buried under a beach of falsehoods.

Unlike almost everyone else in this thread, I've actually gotten to visit a communist country, and it is absolutely nothing like the West pretends. You know what the worst part about Vietnam is? The climate. At least for me bc I have asthma. Everyone wants to talk ♥♥♥♥ about them, while completely ignoring the fact that the USA tried to invade and decimate them with a war started by a false flag attack. The US has been proven to be the bad guy SO MANY TIMES. Iran-Contra, CIA drug trafficking, United Fruit, torturing innocent bystanders in the middle east, indefinitely detaining anyone they want in GitMo, being one of two countries out of every other single country in the UN to vote no on lifting the blockade and embargo on Cuba, despite decades of repeat confirmations from the international community that the accusations of human rights abuses in Cuba are absolutely unsubstantiated, training the Taliban because they didn't want Afghanistan being friends with the Soviets, training literal terrorists in south america that massacre entire villages, including infants. Like exactly how much does the US actually have to do until people realize that they have never been the good guys?

You hate the US so much. Let’s see the US pull out of NATO and see how tough the commies and socialist intellectuals are when they aren’t hiding under the umbrella of the US military.

[Huckleberry]

"One other thing to keep in mind is that while Victoria 3 is an ambitious simulation, it is not a complete simulation. There are currently no distinct mechanics modeling corruption or cronyism, foreign economic influence beyond trade, or direct interference in another nation's politics, all of which could help make 19th century communism seem a bit less appealing than it does in the current meta. Perhaps that's something we will see more of in the future."

Source! https://www.pcgamer.com/victoria-3-communism-op/

Communism is a "nice" idea (although I prefer socialism) but neither of these ideologies will ever work because humanity is too self and ego-driven for it to actually work. Yes, look at USSR and China and you will have good examples of what happens. In both examples it ends up as forces of oppression instead of rising the regular population up, only a few people in position or with the "proper" connections enjoys it.

[Obi Hung Kenobi]

this game is so shallow, dense and lame amazing it actually got a thread this long

man you people are really dumb lol

clowns thirsty

[Obi Hung Kenobi]

Potato Head の投稿を引用：

"One other thing to keep in mind is that while Victoria 3 is an ambitious simulation, it is not a complete simulation. There are currently no distinct mechanics modeling corruption or cronyism, foreign economic influence beyond trade, or direct interference in another nation's politics, all of which could help make 19th century communism seem a bit less appealing than it does in the current meta. Perhaps that's something we will see more of in the future."

Source! https://www.pcgamer.com/victoria-3-communism-op/

Communism is a "nice" idea (although I prefer socialism) but neither of these ideologies will ever work because humanity is too self and ego-driven for it to actually work. Yes, look at USSR and China and you will have good examples of what happens. In both examples it ends up as forces of oppression instead of rising the regular population up, only a few people in position or with the "proper" connections enjoys it.

you actually come to steam to defend communism in one of the largest flops paradox games

bro i automatically dont wanna be communist when i see this

[Kimlin]

Obi Hung Kenobi の投稿を引用：

this game is so shallow, dense and lame amazing it actually got a thread this long

man you people are really dumb lol

clowns thirsty

Clown thirst means you wanted a clown right?

[Huckleberry]

Obi Hung Kenobi の投稿を引用：

Potato Head の投稿を引用：

"One other thing to keep in mind is that while Victoria 3 is an ambitious simulation, it is not a complete simulation. There are currently no distinct mechanics modeling corruption or cronyism, foreign economic influence beyond trade, or direct interference in another nation's politics, all of which could help make 19th century communism seem a bit less appealing than it does in the current meta. Perhaps that's something we will see more of in the future."

Source! https://www.pcgamer.com/victoria-3-communism-op/

Communism is a "nice" idea (although I prefer socialism) but neither of these ideologies will ever work because humanity is too self and ego-driven for it to actually work. Yes, look at USSR and China and you will have good examples of what happens. In both examples it ends up as forces of oppression instead of rising the regular population up, only a few people in position or with the "proper" connections enjoys it.

you actually come to steam to defend communism in one of the largest flops paradox games

bro i automatically dont wanna be communist when i see this

I said it was a "nice" idea and also it won't work. I'm not defending anything bro.

[Obi Hung Kenobi]

Kimlin の投稿を引用：

Obi Hung Kenobi の投稿を引用：

this game is so shallow, dense and lame amazing it actually got a thread this long

man you people are really dumb lol

clowns thirsty

Clown thirst means you wanted a clown right?

oh hey its the local dev sucker

dude get a life you are literally in every thread defending devs, you think they paid you or you work for them directly

plz stfu

[AmesNFire]

Obi Hung Kenobi の投稿を引用：

Potato Head の投稿を引用：

"One other thing to keep in mind is that while Victoria 3 is an ambitious simulation, it is not a complete simulation. There are currently no distinct mechanics modeling corruption or cronyism, foreign economic influence beyond trade, or direct interference in another nation's politics, all of which could help make 19th century communism seem a bit less appealing than it does in the current meta. Perhaps that's something we will see more of in the future."

Source! https://www.pcgamer.com/victoria-3-communism-op/

Communism is a "nice" idea (although I prefer socialism) but neither of these ideologies will ever work because humanity is too self and ego-driven for it to actually work. Yes, look at USSR and China and you will have good examples of what happens. In both examples it ends up as forces of oppression instead of rising the regular population up, only a few people in position or with the "proper" connections enjoys it.

you actually come to steam to defend communism in one of the largest flops paradox games

bro i automatically dont wanna be communist when i see this

Note to everyone on the thread, Obi Hung Kenobi never actually reads the things they respond too.

[Obi Hung Kenobi]

Potato Head の投稿を引用：

Obi Hung Kenobi の投稿を引用：

you actually come to steam to defend communism in one of the largest flops paradox games

bro i automatically dont wanna be communist when i see this

I said it was a "nice" idea and also it won't work. I'm not defending anything bro.

the fact you would even have an input on communism is hilarious enough on steam

[Huckleberry]

Obi Hung Kenobi の投稿を引用：

Potato Head の投稿を引用：

I said it was a "nice" idea and also it won't work. I'm not defending anything bro.

the fact you would even have an input is hilarious enough on steam

If stupid people were not allowed to write on the internet, neither of us would be allowed to do so. ;)

[Obi Hung Kenobi]

Potato Head の投稿を引用：

Obi Hung Kenobi の投稿を引用：

the fact you would even have an input is hilarious enough on steam

If stupid people were not allowed to write on the internet, neither of us would be allowed to do so. ;)

you must be like 13 years old to think anyone gives a f about ur politics on steam

Specially a game so broken n dense

[Obi Hung Kenobi]

ur not smart for playing this lol, ur actually kinda dumb for even supporting it

[Huckleberry]

Obi Hung Kenobi の投稿を引用：

Potato Head の投稿を引用：

If stupid people were not allowed to write on the internet, neither of us would be allowed to do so. ;)

you must be like 13 years old to think anyone gives a f about ur politics on steam

Specially a game so broken n dense

Well if you don't care why are you here? ;)

[Huckleberry]

Obi Hung Kenobi の投稿を引用：

Potato Head の投稿を引用：

Well if you don't care why are you here? ;)

to make fun of you, obviously

ur not witty bro ur just a loser still lurking

I haven't said I'm witty, I am actually quite stupid! Give me heads up when you're making fun of me, I wanna laugh at me too!