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Intelligentsia is ahistorical.
In Vicky 3 Intelligentsia are portrayed as supporters of liberty, diversity and equality.

In real life the Intelligentsia of 19th century (as well as most academics and reseachers) were the biggest proponents of racial segregation, eugenics and White supremacy.

Why did the devs whitewash the history so much?
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FailedNormiee Dec 2, 2022 @ 4:43am 
ESG capital financing and programmers adopting blue hair color.
Athmet Dec 2, 2022 @ 4:50am 
I mean random steam account, I hear your opinion and I give here another opinion taken from the wikipedia:

European history

The philosopher Karol Libelt identified the social contradiction inherent to the intelligentsia being politically progressive, whilst also willing to work for the status quo of the State.

In Russia, the writer Pyotr Boborykin defined the intelligentsia as both the managers of a society, and as the creators of society's high culture.
The intelligentsia existed as a social stratum in European societies before the term inteligencja was coined in 19th-century Poland, to identify the intellectual people whose professions placed them outside the traditional workplaces and labours of the town-and-country social classes (royalty, aristocracy, bourgeoisie) of a monarchy; thus the inteligencja are a social class native to the city.[9] In their functions as a status class, the intellectuals realised the cultural development of cities, the dissemination of printed knowledge (literature, textbooks, newspapers), and the economic development of housing for rent (the tenement house) for the teacher, the journalist, and the civil servant.

In On Love of the fatherland (1844), the Polish philosopher Karol Libelt used the term inteligencja, which was the status class, composed of scholars, teachers, lawyers, and engineers, et al. as the educated people of society who provide the moral leadership required to resolve the problems of society, hence the social function of the intelligentsia is to "guide for the reason of their higher enlightenment."[9][failed verification][10]

In the 1860s, the journalist Pyotr Boborykin popularised the term intelligentsiya (интеллигенция) to identify and describe the Russian social stratum of people educated at university who engage in the intellectual occupations (law, medicine, engineering, the arts) who produce the culture and the dominant ideology by which society functions.[11][12][13] According to the theory of Dr. Vitaly Tepikin, the sociological traits usual to the intelligentsia of a society are:

advanced-for-their-time moral ideals, moral sensitivity to the neighbour, tact and gentleness in expression;
productive mental work, and in continual self-education;
patriotism based on faith in the people, and inexhaustible, self-less love for the small and the big motherlands;
inherent creativity in every stratum of the intelligentsia, and a tendency to asceticism;
an independent personality who speaks freely;
a critical attitude towards the government, and public condemnation of injustice;
loyalty to principle by conscience, grace under pressure, and tendency to self-denial;
an ambiguous perception of reality, which leads to political fickleness that sometimes becomes conservatism;
a sense of resentment, because politics and policies went unrealised; and withdrawal from the public sphere to the in-group;
quarrels about art, ideas, and ideology, which divide the subgroups who compose the intelligentsia.[14]
In The Rise of the Intelligentsia, 1750–1831 (2008) Maciej Janowski said that the Polish intelligentsia were the think tank of the State, intellectual servants whose progressive social and economic policies decreased the social backwardness (illiteracy) of the Polish people, and also decreased Russian political repression in partitioned Poland.[15]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligentsia

You are totally welcome to state this is false and wikipedia is part of the conspiracy if you want.. But again, everyone has an opinion.
ArchAngelOsis Dec 2, 2022 @ 4:56am 
Originally posted by Easterner:
In Vicky 3 Intelligentsia are portrayed as supporters of liberty, diversity and equality.

In real life the Intelligentsia of 19th century (as well as most academics and reseachers) were the biggest proponents of racial segregation, eugenics and White supremacy.

Why did the devs whitewash the history so much?
odd....I found they change from people exactly as you describe to you know....Social Liberals as you the player either move away from that ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ in favour of annexing vast tracks of land and incorporating the population into your workforce and you know.....them via public schools or non-bigoted religious/private schools
Originally posted by Athmet:
You are totally welcome to state this is false and wikipedia is part of the conspiracy if you want.. But again, everyone has an opinion.

Wikipedia also says that George Washington wasn't racist.
He owned slaves.
Supply Slut Dec 2, 2022 @ 7:52am 
Originally posted by Easterner:
Originally posted by Athmet:
You are totally welcome to state this is false and wikipedia is part of the conspiracy if you want.. But again, everyone has an opinion.

Wikipedia also says that George Washington wasn't racist.
He owned slaves.

Dude this is laughably incorrect. Straight from George Washington’s Wikipedia page:

“…He held an "engrained sense of racial superiority" towards African Americans…”

You could at least try not to blatantly make ♥♥♥♥ up, especially when it’s easily disproven with like 90 seconds of searching.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington
Voksenlokker Dec 2, 2022 @ 10:17am 
I guess the racist parts of the intelligentsia is represented by the petit bourgouisie
kgkong Dec 2, 2022 @ 10:21am 
Originally posted by Voksenlokker:
I guess the racist parts of the intelligentsia is represented by the petit bourgouisie
Yea, they're the snooty rich elitists.
While the intelligentia are just the liberal elitists basically.
mattbls400 Dec 2, 2022 @ 10:34am 
This whole thread screams of whiny uneducated liberal.
Last edited by mattbls400; Dec 2, 2022 @ 10:35am
AN Dec 2, 2022 @ 12:44pm 
Originally posted by mattbls400:
This whole thread screams of whiny uneducated liberal.
Only one screaming is you, baby boy
RandyNewman Dec 2, 2022 @ 1:15pm 
Originally posted by Athmet:
I mean random steam account, I hear your opinion and I give here another opinion taken from the wikipedia:

European history

The philosopher Karol Libelt identified the social contradiction inherent to the intelligentsia being politically progressive, whilst also willing to work for the status quo of the State.

In Russia, the writer Pyotr Boborykin defined the intelligentsia as both the managers of a society, and as the creators of society's high culture.
The intelligentsia existed as a social stratum in European societies before the term inteligencja was coined in 19th-century Poland, to identify the intellectual people whose professions placed them outside the traditional workplaces and labours of the town-and-country social classes (royalty, aristocracy, bourgeoisie) of a monarchy; thus the inteligencja are a social class native to the city.[9] In their functions as a status class, the intellectuals realised the cultural development of cities, the dissemination of printed knowledge (literature, textbooks, newspapers), and the economic development of housing for rent (the tenement house) for the teacher, the journalist, and the civil servant.

In On Love of the fatherland (1844), the Polish philosopher Karol Libelt used the term inteligencja, which was the status class, composed of scholars, teachers, lawyers, and engineers, et al. as the educated people of society who provide the moral leadership required to resolve the problems of society, hence the social function of the intelligentsia is to "guide for the reason of their higher enlightenment."[9][failed verification][10]

In the 1860s, the journalist Pyotr Boborykin popularised the term intelligentsiya (интеллигенция) to identify and describe the Russian social stratum of people educated at university who engage in the intellectual occupations (law, medicine, engineering, the arts) who produce the culture and the dominant ideology by which society functions.[11][12][13] According to the theory of Dr. Vitaly Tepikin, the sociological traits usual to the intelligentsia of a society are:

advanced-for-their-time moral ideals, moral sensitivity to the neighbour, tact and gentleness in expression;
productive mental work, and in continual self-education;
patriotism based on faith in the people, and inexhaustible, self-less love for the small and the big motherlands;
inherent creativity in every stratum of the intelligentsia, and a tendency to asceticism;
an independent personality who speaks freely;
a critical attitude towards the government, and public condemnation of injustice;
loyalty to principle by conscience, grace under pressure, and tendency to self-denial;
an ambiguous perception of reality, which leads to political fickleness that sometimes becomes conservatism;
a sense of resentment, because politics and policies went unrealised; and withdrawal from the public sphere to the in-group;
quarrels about art, ideas, and ideology, which divide the subgroups who compose the intelligentsia.[14]
In The Rise of the Intelligentsia, 1750–1831 (2008) Maciej Janowski said that the Polish intelligentsia were the think tank of the State, intellectual servants whose progressive social and economic policies decreased the social backwardness (illiteracy) of the Polish people, and also decreased Russian political repression in partitioned Poland.[15]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligentsia

You are totally welcome to state this is false and wikipedia is part of the conspiracy if you want.. But again, everyone has an opinion.

To paraphrase a more modern scholar: "The role of (this) class is to moderate the worst excesses of Empire."

Are the things they advocate good and noble? Yes, oftentimes.
Is that why these things are being publicly advocated? No, they're being publicly supported to keep the Empire from burning to the ground.

If you force large swaths of people, like the Poles, to join your empire without much of a say in the matter; the next thing you're gonna have to do is to make them feel a little welcome in your Empire. You're gonna start running into problems if you don't.
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