Rant about the peace deal system.

[Bloco]

Don't ally anyone ever. Worst Mistake of my life.
So I was playing as Austria and Bavaria proposed an alliance in exchange for an obligation, I accepted because I saw that as an opportunity to expand my customs union and weaken Prussia.
Some time later, Prussia started a war against Bavaria and added a war goal against me for moravia. France joined our side and occupied all of the prussian rhine states and Prussia's war support dropped to 0 but obviously they kept fighting.
At this point I'm just tired of this war and wanted to peace out but guess what, theres is no option for separate peace and I can't negotiate the peace deal even though I'm one of the "negotiating participants", my only option is to capitulate because apparently V3 has a really dynamic and engaging diplomacy system.
So Prussia occupies moravia for a while, I push back but can't get them off completely, and since it's a war goal that means that my war support goes down below 0 even if they are occupying only like 20% of the state. My war support hits -100 and I lose moravia even though it was only a little bit occupied.
Meanwhile Prussia has 40% of their country occupied but no, still 0 war support. I had no option to negotiate it because I was a hostage to Bavaria, only they could propose peace deals.
I get that war isn't the main focus of the game (and apparently diplomacy also isn't), and that's fine by me, I believe you could make a fun game without focusing on war, but at least don't make it ANNOYING. I don't avoid war in this game because the other aspects are better, I avoid war in this game because it's a pain.

[kgkong]

What was the primary war goal against Prussia?
If you add humiliate or war reps, you have to control a majority of their states or part of the capitol state.

Unfortunately you're a secondary participant to the war as Prussia never directly targeted you. But they can target you with a war goal to make it easier to capitulate you. As you can with other nation's help they have in wars. But primary participants can't be capitulated that easily.

Had you been an overlord of Bavaria (yes I know harder to pull off but the alliance with Bavaria is a step in that direction), you would have been the primary negotiating participant and could have offered to peace out the war earlier though, as you would have been higher tier to Bavaria who was the primary war goal target.

[Bloco]

Originally posted by KingGorillaKong:

What was the primary war goal against Prussia?
If you add humiliate or war reps, you have to control a majority of their states or part of the capitol state.

Unfortunately you're a secondary participant to the war as Prussia never directly targeted you. But they can target you with a war goal to make it easier to capitulate you. As you can with other nation's help they have in wars. But primary participants can't be capitulated that easily.

Had you been an overlord of Bavaria (yes I know harder to pull off but the alliance with Bavaria is a step in that direction), you would have been the primary negotiating participant and could have offered to peace out the war earlier though, as you would have been higher tier to Bavaria who was the primary war goal target.

Primary war goal was to liberate hohenzollern (which was occupied by me), second war goal was to liberate mecklenburg(which was never occupied). Tbh I couldn't care less about this war, I'm just salty because I had no say in the peace deal and lost a state over nothing.

I think I'm just going to restart the campaign since it was only 8 years after start.

[Schutzengel]

The war system just suc#s.

[kgkong]

It's bizarre how the primary war goal targets you but it was a play against Bavaria. What was the war goal against Bavaria? that had to have been the first and then you got targeted as secondary war goals.
I feel you though. I've been in a few weird wars where I wasn't sure why I had no negotiation say at first. Alliances are janky with lower AI difficulties at best.

Cheers and better luck next attempt!

[Bloco]

Originally posted by KingGorillaKong:

It's bizarre how the primary war goal targets you but it was a play against Bavaria. What was the war goal against Bavaria? that had to have been the first and then you got targeted as secondary war goals.
I feel you though. I've been in a few weird wars where I wasn't sure why I had no negotiation say at first. Alliances are janky with lower AI difficulties at best.

Cheers and better luck next attempt!

Thanks! I think the primary war goal against Bavaria was to annex franconia (northern Bavaria), and Prussia didn't have a border there so Bavaria was never occupied.

[kgkong]

What's funny is I just had one of those weird wars. So I think you lose all your options to negotiate if you join a war through obligations, pacts or "here annex/conquest this state if you help" as that seems to be the only common factor I've noted when this happens.

I feel more autonomous when I just join a war without a request to help. xD