No one supports abolishing slavery

[Dojaeni]

None of my interest groups want to get rid of slavery. Any ideas?

[kgkong]

Sounds like a lot of the political group leaders have pro slavery ideologies which are influencing the political groups legislative favoring. You can use events to force group leaders to step down or lose popularity enough that they eventually see their political group lose clout.

What happens when you try to pass Slavery Banned? How angry does it make the pop groups and which ones specifically? If you only make them relatively angry (-10 to -15) and they aren't too large in clout size (and also have political parties that group the political groups together) you might be able to pass it with the threat of revolution. As long as the radicalism value doesn't reach 100 or more you won't actually have a revolt. But if it's 90+ you can potentially have it tick over.

[LzDK14]

Originally posted by Dojaeni:

None of my interest groups want to get rid of slavery. Any ideas?

You need some better people...

[teron]

Originally posted by LzDK14:

Originally posted by Dojaeni:

None of my interest groups want to get rid of slavery. Any ideas?

You need some better people...

This is where the duel event can be great. Since allowing it them to duel can sometimes result in both people dying. Which is great when it is your two slavery liking IG leaders who die and end up being replaced with more anti slavery leaning IG leaders.

[LzDK14]

Originally posted by teron:

Originally posted by LzDK14:

You need some better people...

This is where the duel event can be great. Since allowing it them to duel can sometimes result in both people dying. Which is great when it is your two slavery liking IG leaders who die and end up being replaced with more anti slavery leaning IG leaders.

Whaaat? You can disallow duels?! What for??! I think there should be an option to make a gladitor battles out of them!:-) Using slaves, yes, ofc.

[Dojaeni]

Not sure what happened but managed to rif myself of the evil practice (no idea what the difference is to be honest) anyways i'm assuming teron is right and some politician died/retired and was replaced with someone that let me push the law through

[kgkong]

Originally posted by Dojaeni:

Not sure what happened but managed to rif myself of the evil practice (no idea what the difference is to be honest) anyways i'm assuming teron is right and some politician died/retired and was replaced with someone that let me push the law through

Political groups shift ideologies and group members as pop groups shift around. Very likely you got more that popped in to endorse slavery banning, while also raising the clout size of the groups that already supported it or were indifferent.

[lubed_assassin]

Originally posted by Dojaeni:

Not sure what happened but managed to rif myself of the evil practice (no idea what the difference is to be honest) anyways i'm assuming teron is right and some politician died/retired and was replaced with someone that let me push the law through

each character has a trait that is in addition to his parties ideology. For instance their is an event in the USA that allows you to change one political leader to support slavery or become and abolitionist. eventually you might even get someone that supports debt slavery, thats when you conquer shanxi and create a massive 161 size slave mine.

[Dray Prescot]

You have to get at least ONE IG that supports a proposed Law, i.e. abolishing Slavery (or any any other Law), included in the government, i.e. by reforming the government to include that IG, before it is even possible to try to enact that Law.

Otherwise, Slavery will remain in effect.
So you will have to wait until something changes, a new IG gets added (probably by a new Social Tech or an game Event), or there is a change of Leaders so one of them supports the Law to Abolish Slavery.

OR a another Government starts a

"Diplomatic Play on you to Force you to Abolish Slavery."

This might be another Strategy to try, ruin your relations with a country (Great Britain seems like a good choice, or maybe you might want a weaker country) that has abolished Slavery and hope that they start a Diplomatic Play against you to Abolish Slavery , and then make sure that you lose that War.

This might even work if you join in support of a Diplomatic Play against that Country (e.g. Great Britain) and hope that they add a War Goal of forcing you to abolish Slavery.

This needs to be tried to see if the AI running that other country will do this.

It might be a little easier to accomplish in a Multi (Human) Player game, where one of the Human controlled Countries has Abolished Slavery, and you start a War with them.

[teron]

Originally posted by Dojaeni:

Not sure what happened but managed to rif myself of the evil practice (no idea what the difference is to be honest) anyways i'm assuming teron is right and some politician died/retired and was replaced with someone that let me push the law through

What I was referring to is there is a duel event in which selects two people from the ruler/IG leaders/Generals/Admirals. You can allow them to fight, or disallow it.

It can be nice when it is the ruler/IG leaders to do the duel since there is a chance that one or both could die. Which then means a new Leaders who potentially could have a trait that allows them to support laws you want.
Example is getting a jingoist leader in the Landowners, since they would support doing away with peasant levies in favor of Professional Army. While also not getting pissed off that you have done that for as long as that jingoist leader is in power.

[Dray Prescot]

A big problem with slaves as Pops as they are used in V3, is that they will never be promoted to higher types of labor, so they will only be useable to the lowest type of jobs.

So they will consume a lot and not produce much of value.

However, if you (can) ever free them, they should become Pops that can grow into other Pop types

[Scheneighnay]

as was already stated, if you want to pass anything with no support, you need to start with getting the right politicians.
This means using events to help those you like and kill those you don't.

[Dray Prescot]

Or hope that another Country decides to force you to give up slavery.

[lubed_assassin]

Originally posted by Dray Prescot:

A big problem with slaves as Pops as they are used in V3, is that they will never be promoted to higher types of labor, so they will only be useable to the lowest type of jobs.

So they will consume a lot and not produce much of value.

However, if you (can) ever free them, they should become Pops that can grow into other Pop types

idk with the game changes slavery is much more profitable than vic 2. In vic 2 the problem was that they increased a modifier of production which was really crappy because its not a 1 for 1 exchange. Now they take 1 job and produce with a wierd consumption mechanic. They do consume now, i dont really know what drives their consumption as the aristocrats buy their needs now. However, slavery is very profitable for a colonial exploitation debt slavery build, debt slavery allows you to make 20% of a state slaves.

have you seen the shanxi slave mines? You dont collect taxes on unincorporated states anyway, what you end up with is ridiculous amounts of resources. 20% of the state of shanxi is like 2 million slaves.

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