World war over Greek return of state.

[Zael]

So i as Greek get in war with Ottoman Empire Austrian in support. France wishes to protect Ottoman Empire adds self to war Russian now enter on my side for some reason Britain also want to protect Ottoman Empire join war. they never change attitude to Ottoman either so i restart many many times and they Britain and France are still Want to protect Ottoman everthing else changes not them.

[Zero, Dark Knight]

Russia and Greece share religion, probably why.

As for what Britain and France want from Ottoman's, maybe they're promised an obligation -- and Greece who owes them one all already - doesn't have any benefit (+Ottoman trade is better or something?)

don't know what to say really, this game makes little sense. but comes to my mind as first thoughts

[kgkong]

National goals to protect the power paradigm, one that you usually see with a nation like France, means they won't let another great power or major power fall to another nation unless it's at their hands.

Two other goals France often has are acquire colonies and expand market access. Expanding market access means France won't like when other nations decrease their market access to goods, or opening markets up as France likes gaining that prestige. Chances are, France has an invested interest in the O.E..

Check your Diplomacy tab of a nation to see their relationship and attitude towards other nations. It'll help explain a lot of what is going on in the game. Be sure to check out why two unusual friends might have an alliance. Maybe they share a lot of political similarities.

[Zael]

Originally posted by Zero, Dark Knight:

Russia and Greece share religion, probably why.

As for what Britain and France want from Ottoman's, maybe they're promised an obligation -- and Greece who owes them one all already - doesn't have any benefit (+Ottoman trade is better or something?)

don't know what to say really, this game makes little sense. but comes to my mind as first thoughts

Probably also Russia and France were rivals or just declared it. No what i met about France and Britain at start of game wanting to protect Ottomans is what they want to do. Probably is that they offer obligation as you say. annoying thing i kind of understand why Britain still has an interest in Balkans but why does France.

[kgkong]

Originally posted by Zael:

Originally posted by Zero, Dark Knight:

Russia and Greece share religion, probably why.

As for what Britain and France want from Ottoman's, maybe they're promised an obligation -- and Greece who owes them one all already - doesn't have any benefit (+Ottoman trade is better or something?)

don't know what to say really, this game makes little sense. but comes to my mind as first thoughts

Probably also Russia and France were rivals or just declared it. No what i met about France and Britain at start of game wanting to protect Ottomans is what they want to do. Probably is that they offer obligation as you say. annoying thing i kind of understand why Britain still has an interest in Balkans but why does France.

You gotta throw history out the window once you get a few years into the game because so many alternate actions occurred that changed your game from real history.

This pairing of allies in this war would make more sense to you in the context of your game if you checked the nations window and the diplomacy tab and seen how one nations attitude and relationship is towards another, and then compare their legislation, government style and national goals. Check to see if they're trading with that nation. Generally any nation will want to protect a nation that they're importing from in the game as an example as to why you might see some bizarre alliances during war.

[Zael]

Originally posted by KingGorillaKong:

National goals to protect the power paradigm, one that you usually see with a nation like France, means they won't let another great power or major power fall to another nation unless it's at their hands.

Two other goals France often has are acquire colonies and expand market access. Expanding market access means France won't like when other nations decrease their market access to goods, or opening markets up as France likes gaining that prestige. Chances are, France has an invested interest in the O.E..

Check your Diplomacy tab of a nation to see their relationship and attitude towards other nations. It'll help explain a lot of what is going on in the game. Be sure to check out why two unusual friends might have an alliance. Maybe they share a lot of political similarities.

France seems to just be cold red relations and wants to protect at same time in terms of relations. And over a single state kind of seems like overkill.

[Zero, Dark Knight]

Like was said by both myself and KingKong, this game has some sort of consistent yet weird AI - it kinda sort of knows it should do things which claims it wants to do. but then it just starts flailing around in that general direction. :/

I don't think you're doing anything wrong though, or causing this outcome, in any way.

[kgkong]

Originally posted by Zael:

Originally posted by KingGorillaKong:

National goals to protect the power paradigm, one that you usually see with a nation like France, means they won't let another great power or major power fall to another nation unless it's at their hands.

Two other goals France often has are acquire colonies and expand market access. Expanding market access means France won't like when other nations decrease their market access to goods, or opening markets up as France likes gaining that prestige. Chances are, France has an invested interest in the O.E..

Check your Diplomacy tab of a nation to see their relationship and attitude towards other nations. It'll help explain a lot of what is going on in the game. Be sure to check out why two unusual friends might have an alliance. Maybe they share a lot of political similarities.

France seems to just be cold red relations and wants to protect at same time in terms of relations. And over a single state kind of seems like overkill.

How was your infamy before starting the diplomatic play? How much did you pump up your army and navy before the diplomatic play? How much is the total infamy cost for your war goals?

France wants to preserve their right as the world power, and they will seemingly go to any extreme to do this. In my current game, France made the most bizarre defensive alliances just so I wouldn't declare war on them as a well armed Rwanda. On a one to one scale, my troops are better than France now. Just gotta figure out how I can manage to deal with France in Africa quick enough (not likely given their troop count to my troop count).

It sucks that there's the whole immortal character bug that makes it so characters don't die of natural causes earlier in their life. Otherwise you'll see France shift a few ideological different leaders and that would dramatically decrease their ability to be orientated towards a single goal through the entire game.

[Kimlin]

In reality WW1 was started over something just as globally insignificant. Although there’s a lot of finger pointing and possibly grand manipulation, the start can be traced back to Austria invading Serbia.

[kgkong]

Originally posted by Kimlin:

In reality WW1 was started over something just as globally insignificant. Although there’s a lot of finger pointing and possibly grand manipulation, the start can be traced back to Austria invading Serbia.

Hell, politically, it was about how Franz Ferdinand wasn't supporting the rest of his monarch family in Europe and he was the key opposition that prevented Austria from making global moves.

[Kimlin]

Originally posted by KingGorillaKong:

Originally posted by Kimlin:

In reality WW1 was started over something just as globally insignificant. Although there’s a lot of finger pointing and possibly grand manipulation, the start can be traced back to Austria invading Serbia.

Hell, politically, it was about how Franz Ferdinand wasn't supporting the rest of his monarch family in Europe and he was the key opposition that prevented Austria from making global moves.

To be a Hapsburg, all the power in the world with every knife ready for your back.

[kgkong]

Originally posted by Kimlin:

Originally posted by KingGorillaKong:

Hell, politically, it was about how Franz Ferdinand wasn't supporting the rest of his monarch family in Europe and he was the key opposition that prevented Austria from making global moves.

To be a Hapsburg, all the power in the world with every knife ready for your back.

Sure glad that doesn't happen anymore today. /sarcasm XD

[Zael]

Originally posted by KingGorillaKong:

Originally posted by Zael:

France seems to just be cold red relations and wants to protect at same time in terms of relations. And over a single state kind of seems like overkill.

How was your infamy before starting the diplomatic play? How much did you pump up your army and navy before the diplomatic play? How much is the total infamy cost for your war goals?

France wants to preserve their right as the world power, and they will seemingly go to any extreme to do this. In my current game, France made the most bizarre defensive alliances just so I wouldn't declare war on them as a well armed Rwanda. On a one to one scale, my troops are better than France now. Just gotta figure out how I can manage to deal with France in Africa quick enough (not likely given their troop count to my troop count).

It sucks that there's the whole immortal character bug that makes it so characters don't die of natural causes earlier in their life. Otherwise you'll see France shift a few ideological different leaders and that would dramatically decrease their ability to be orientated towards a single goal through the entire game.

I have literately done nothing. I am at start of 2 year of game zero infamy no new army or navy relying on Austria. War Goals to take just one state one Greece starts with claim on and war reps.

[kgkong]

If you're buddy buddy with Austria and you're immediately going to war as Greece, that's your problem. Greece is a non-threat at the game start and by doing what you just said you did, you're becoming this unknown threat to everybody in the area. MOST powers start off with a national goal to maintain the balance of power and you just screwed with that.

[Kimlin]

Originally posted by Zael:

So i as Greek get in war with Ottoman Empire Austrian in support. France wishes to protect Ottoman Empire adds self to war Russian now enter on my side for some reason Britain also want to protect Ottoman Empire join war. they never change attitude to Ottoman either so i restart many many times and they Britain and France are still Want to protect Ottoman everthing else changes not them.

I’m not sure you’re ready for war within 2 years of the start. Ottoman Empire had a very large military you have a small military. Are you expecting to rely solely on Austria?

[Zero, Dark Knight]

...to be fair, with how war works, all he needs is like, a good general and 5 barracks, anyway. :P and good tech.