Victoria 3: The Game Awards nominee for Best Sim/Strategy game of the year

[TrompeL'Oeil]

Congratulations to Paradox Development Studio for their great work on Victoria 3. Kudos on a job well done and for being recognised for it.

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https://www.gematsu.com/2022/11/the-game-awards-2022-nominees-announced

Thanks to Kimlin for contributing the link to the site.

[Heraclius Caesar]

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Heraclius Caesar の投稿を引用：

Lol.. this group of nominees is a bad joke. When did mediocrity become something to celebrate? Look at this line up. Victoria 3, which is perilously close to going from "mixed" to "negative" in the Steam reviews department, and has lost the majority of its playerbase in the 3 weeks its been out (I know what some of you will say, trends and statistics, etc. It still doesn't look good). Dune Spice Wars, which is still in early access and has very simplistic gameplay and is literally just a cash grab off the Dune name. Total War Warhammer 3, which is a lame Total War game and has only slightly better reviews than Victoria 3. A Mario game. Some incredibly stupid, dinky game about going to school.

I'm not sure how it came to this, where popcorn fart games could even be considered for nomination for anything.

It's a shame they couldn't wait a couple weeks until Knights of Honor II comes out, now that we finally have a real release date for that. Compared to Victoria 3 the other nominees are basically strawmen (which we can be honest about, I think we all know that Paradox games are generally superior to other games in the strategy/grand strategy/whatever you want to call it genre) but Knights of Honor II would have been a legitimate competitor for the award.

So in other words, you are as confident as we are that Victoria 3 will win the award.

Of course it will, the other nominees are nonentities. 2 of them aren't even legitimate strategy games. A Total War game will never be able to compete with a Paradox game, and the Dune game is a lame cash grab made by people who clearly didn't read the books or understand the lore. No contest, the Paradox game will win against these other games.

[Zero, Dark Knight]

Total War used to be a good series, you know, back in Shogun 2 days.. and before. Good memories. Played Medieval 1, and Shogun 1, then Rome, all of them, countless hours worth in my younger days.

[Heraclius Caesar]

Zero, Dark Knight の投稿を引用：

Total War used to be a good series, you know, back in Shogun 2 days.. and before. Good memories. Played Medieval 1, and Shogun 1, then Rome, all of them, countless hours worth in my younger days.

For sure and I agree completely, I used to love Total War games, Rome & Medieval especially, but once you play a Paradox historical title like Crusader Kings or Europa Universalis you quickly realize that Total War is child's play and is inferior in pretty much every way possible.

[Kimlin]

Heraclius Caesar の投稿を引用：

Zero, Dark Knight の投稿を引用：

Total War used to be a good series, you know, back in Shogun 2 days.. and before. Good memories. Played Medieval 1, and Shogun 1, then Rome, all of them, countless hours worth in my younger days.

For sure and I agree completely, I used to love Total War games, Rome & Medieval especially, but once you play a Paradox historical title like Crusader Kings or Europa Universalis you quickly realize that Total War is child's play and is inferior in pretty much every way possible.

I purchased Total Rome 2 Emperors edition about a month ago but haven’t tried it yet. How is that one?

[Zero, Dark Knight]

Rome 2...?

It's okay I guess? I wouldn't say it's anything special. In-fact I'd outright say it has a lot of problems. and it was the first game which was cut into DLC pieces in the Creative Assembly list up. All the other games had proper expansions.

I'd say you could have maybe 1-2 campaigns of fun, 1 as Rome and 1 as Greeks, but then it very quickly becomes 'every faction is the same' outside of those 2. (so the Romans, Greeks, and 'barbarians' are everyone'.)

...that's all there is to say really. It's not a "Terrible" game, it just gets old really quickly. and it's repetitive once you've seen it.

Shogun 2 and Fall of the Samurai, Shogun 2 expansion, are much better games.

[Kimlin]

Zero, Dark Knight の投稿を引用：

Rome 2...?

It's okay I guess? I wouldn't say it's anything special. In-fact I'd outright say it has a lot of problems. and it was the first game which was cut into DLC pieces in the Creative Assembly list up. All the other games had proper expansions.

I'd say you could have maybe 1-2 campaigns of fun, 1 as Rome and 1 as Greeks, but then it very quickly becomes 'every faction is the same' outside of those 2. (so the Romans, Greeks, and 'barbarians' are everyone'.)

...that's all there is to say really. It's not a "Terrible" game, it just gets old really quickly. and it's repetitive once you've seen it.

Shogun 2 and Fall of the Samurai, Shogun 2 expansion, are much better games.

I was on a Rome kick do wanted to try it. I’ve never played any Total War games. I’ll look into Shogun 2 and it’s xpac.

[Zero, Dark Knight]

Kimlin の投稿を引用：

Never once met someone who was disappointed in Shogun 2 when they learned its mechanics! and it's often referred to as the greatest game Creative Assembly ever produced.

All the terrain elevations providing their own strategic values on on the battle map, firing arrows/guns downhill is easier than uphill, or sword fighting downhill is easier.

Proper command of units and an on the fly ever changing morale system means that a sneaky unit of cavalry can turn the battle with one flank charge into enemy archers, as your melee pins the enemy down in place.

- Shogun 2 and FotS has so much to offer for someone willing to put the time in :P

...only thing you might struggle with, is, it's a notoriously difficult game to 'win'.

[Heraclius Caesar]

Kimlin の投稿を引用：

Heraclius Caesar の投稿を引用：

For sure and I agree completely, I used to love Total War games, Rome & Medieval especially, but once you play a Paradox historical title like Crusader Kings or Europa Universalis you quickly realize that Total War is child's play and is inferior in pretty much every way possible.

I purchased Total Rome 2 Emperors edition about a month ago but haven’t tried it yet. How is that one?

Like Zero, Dark Knight said it's really just ok, nothing special. Total War Attila is better imo.

[Kimlin]

Zero, Dark Knight の投稿を引用：

Kimlin の投稿を引用：

Never once met someone who was disappointed in Shogun 2 when they learned its mechanics! and it's often referred to as the greatest game Creative Assembly ever produced.

All the terrain elevations providing their own strategic values on on the battle map, firing arrows/guns downhill is easier than uphill, or sword fighting downhill is easier.

Proper command of units and an on the fly ever changing morale system means that a sneaky unit of cavalry can turn the battle with one flank charge into enemy archers, as your melee pins the enemy down in place.

- Shogun 2 and FotS has so much to offer for someone willing to put the time in :P

...only thing you might struggle with, is, it's a notoriously difficult game to 'win'.

I like a challenge.

[Nats]

I tried Rome Total War 2 the other month and thought it looked terrible - very dated

[curtadamsCA]

Spot on. I've seen nothing else close to this level of interest and complexity in the simulation aspect of grand strategy.

[Mtabacco]

This amazing game deserves to be recognized.

[VoiD]

Shogun 2 is great, but it's odd that you'd say Rome 2 is too samey.

Of all the historical games, Rome 2 is the best at variety, while Shogun 2 is the absolute worst.

Each of the culture groups have some unique units and strategies, and all of the culture groups play and use very different tactics from one another, and there are quite a few of them, the mounted archer guys play nothing like the celts, or the africans, which are very different from the romans and greeks.

While in Shogun 2 every single faction plays in the exact same way, the only difference is that they all have a minor bonus to one kind of unit, making them slightly better, and they usually have 1 or 2 unique units, but the core of their armies isn't even similar, it's the exact same, the same samurai and ashigaru units everywhere. Great game, zero variety.

I mean, Hattori are slightly different as every unit has kisho training (which makes them all worse, because they are all very expensive and not worth their cost)

Otomo can have a gun-focused gameplay which can end up very differently from most (not that they can't do the same eventually)

And Ikko Ikki is truly different.

Of course none of the historical total war games can come even close to 5% of the variety in Warhammer 3.

[The Doctor]

Just because we gereally rate the competition as feeble doesn't mean that this is a slam-dunk. I wouldn't write off TW WH3 at all. Nor would I write off Dune: Spice Wars. Both are good strategy games. Are they even remotely close to Vic 3 in complexity? Of course not. Nobody makes games like PDS but a lot of folks just don't play them because they're too complex.

Awards like this are a numbers game and not really a reflection of their quality. I'm not going to vote for any of those games because I just don't care enough to do so but there are plenty of TW fans who will. And Shiro have their own following too.

[Fatbill]

Mtabacco の投稿を引用：

This amazing game deserves to be recognized.

Recognized as what?
Incomplete at launch?
A game with a mostly non-working war system?
An empty can for future $30 DLCs?
Released 6 months too early?

I think those things are already recognized.