Is it really that bad?

[merkava808]

I never played Vic 2, but I am a huge EU4 and HOI3 player, and am itching for a new PDX title. Is it really so bad that its not worth playing and buying?

[ORION]

No it is not too bad and if you did not play vic2 you will probably like it. I think as they continue to develop this game it has the potential to become my favorite game

[VoiD]

No, it's not bad at all, in fact it's really good.

Vic2 was a good game too, but it's dated, vic3 is an improvement in almost every way, but warfare is kind of a sidegrade, the current system is flawed, but many players don't really miss moving little men over tiles and checking siege timers every single day all over the world, or even playing catch with navies, but the economy and all the rest are simply superior in vic3.

The real problem is on the tech side, the game was crashing madly before the last patch after the early game, this was fixed for most people but some are still crashing, and the game still has severe performance issues late game, if you get big I'd even say the game becomes unplayable due to the performance issues, it's bad enough for me to think the game shouldn't have released at all until this issue was fixed.

There are several other, smaller issues like the migration event bugs that never end, so you can't get any more migrants, frontlines splitting generals teleporting back home, etc... But, while these are very annoying, they aren't nearly as gamebreaking as the crashing and performance issues.

But if the game worked properly I'd say it's a great game, 8/10, possibly 9/10.

[Oaks]

It's great, really having fun with it.

[CoachMac]

No the real problem if you are a noob is to enter the game.
You struggle with everything and ok they have tool tips all around an tutorial but it is sometimes EXTREMELY frustrating to struggle with basic stupid things.

[ORION]

Allot of cool UI Mods have helped me out. Workshop keeps pumping out cool things

[Oddible]

Lol remember 90% of steam rage is lonely people who need an adversary to make them feel alive.

Game is fine, some things better than Vic2, some things will still need some kinks worked out in the UI but it was just launched so I'm sure they will get to it.

[Xeoah]

Its really bad. dont buy youll regret.

[Damedius]

Well if you are familiar with Paradox you know what their releases tend to like. So there are bugs and many people have talked about poor late game performance.

[curtadamsCA]

It's not bad, other than apparently some people have a lot of problems with bugs (not me.) It's a very different feel from most Paradox games, tho. Most Paradox games are primarily focused on interstate relations - wars and diplomacy. Victoria is mostly about developing your economy and successfully managing an industrial revolution. There's also a more developed internal politics and society, and this interacts with your development - how you develop changes your internal politics, and your internal politics affects how you develop. The development adds a puzzle aspect to the game - how do you juggle all the complicated aspects of development, and how do you deal with the specific challenges of your nation.

War and diplomacy are still there, of course, and there's still the feel of "what could *I* do with XXX?" War is greatly simplified and you have no detailed control over your armies - no hovering over the pause button to send your EU4 army at *just* the right time. You build an army, select a general, send it to a front, and hope it's enough. I do really like the flavor - all the interactions between interest groups and struggles for markets and technological changes feel very, well, Victorian. You really feel the world changing in this game as modern ideologies appear and the world grows more complex.

tldr; More of a puzzle game, less of a wargame, strong "emergence of modernity" feel.

[ChaffyExpert]

Like Territorial.Io ?

It's about the same as that.

[Snakejuice]

Love the game, I've played 50 hours so far. But.. I also liked EU4, HoI4 and CK3 on release so I guess I'm not that picky. Sure all PDX games get even better with DLC but still fun to be had on release! The only PDX game I didn't like on day 1 was Imperator.

[Jojo]

Originally posted by h4rry^ - merkava:

I never played Vic 2, but I am a huge EU4 and HOI3 player, and am itching for a new PDX title. Is it really so bad that its not worth playing and buying?

The game has good things about it, but it has plenty wrong. I would strongly suggest holding off for 6 months to a year.

[cx2325]

The game is actually quite fun, one of the few strategy games that have you focusing on domestic politics and economy instead of warfare. I just love having to deal with all the interest groups and the internal struggle that arises from their conflicting interests. It is not for min-maxers who like to optimize the fun out of games or for people who need in-depth warfare mechanics (who already have all the other games in the Paradox lineup). Instead, it's a game for people who enjoy politics and the give-and-take dynamics inherent to politics.

There is room for improvement, of course. For instance, much information that you need as a ruler is not easily available, such as what goods your pops need. However, these issues are already being addressed and will be fixed in time.

Overall, the game is pretty good and is exactly what I expected.

[Scrotum Scratcher]

its ok but boring. war and diplomacy is terrible so most of the game revolves around looking at the market and building things. if you're looking for strategy then EU4 and HOI3 is much better. this is a spreadsheet simulator

[argentus]

It is a barebones cashfarm waiting to happen, and one that Paradox is blatantly proud of, considering they have outright said 'We dont think our diplomacy section needs much changing'...the same section that relies on RNG for major nations to not get involved in your borderd disputes halfway around the world for no gain on their part other than to screw the player.

This game is all about removing as much player agency as possible while making you have to micromanage a city builder with only one building que for an entire empire unless you want to break the bank with construction costs.

This is a glorified facebook game where you are meant to watch things happen, fiddle with the market tab and hope the law RNG doesn't waste years of your game time to get basic things passed.