Research flawed?

[Cerberus]

I can't figure out what to do with research. I actually do a MP with a friend, me as Austria, him as Prussia.
Right now in the year 1879 we got both over 60 universities each, resulting in both having about 150 innovation score. I got 63% literacy, he got 66%.
Next out of curiosity i switched to almighty France, here is the result:
0 universities, 65% literacy, 50 innovation score, BUT toe to toe with both of us at tec level. What am I missing here?
I know technololgy spreads, but the AI didn't do anything in that sector and is still at our level. A bug? Or what am I missing?

[Zeromentor]

People take time to learn, and it's not just universities but access to education. Also, I'm pretty sure its a random dice roll, and also matters how much income they have so they can afford to learn to be something other than a peasant.

Lots of little times tie in together.

[Jokoff Schön]

going to top tier tech early is not really worth it. balancing the tech on all 3 pages is worth alot of more.

[Cerberus]

Originally posted by Zeromentor:

People take time to learn, and it's not just universities but access to education. Also, I'm pretty sure its a random dice roll, and also matters how much income they have so they can afford to learn to be something other than a peasant.

Lots of little times tie in together.

Hmm maybe. but this is still weird to say it best. France has a bigger GDP per pop in that game, but they still can‘t do ♥♥♥♥ with it as they don‘t have access to a single university. And shouldn‘t everything you say be reflected in the innovation score? I still can‘t figure out how the mentioned result is possible. Or to my understanding: it shouldn‘t be posssible. One of two ways is true: Either my pops have access to all the education in the world but can‘t do anything with it for whatever reason, or France‘s pops don‘t have education but still can go toe to toe with everybody else for whatever reason. I don‘t really get it.

[Cerberus]

Originally posted by Jokoff Schön:

going to top tier tech early is not really worth it. balancing the tech on all 3 pages is worth alot of more.

You are right, but my tec level is pretty balanced and advanced (at least I thought it is). Seeing France being just the same without investing anything into it is something I don‘t understand.

[argentus]

It's like how france can just steamroll their way through colonizing africa despite not having the needed techs or government support because paradox only cares about 'historical accuracy' to have the big powers get a cheap boost rather than actually code events, different options and decisions or even just flavor text.

[teron]

Originally posted by Cerberus:

Originally posted by Jokoff Schön:

going to top tier tech early is not really worth it. balancing the tech on all 3 pages is worth alot of more.

You are right, but my tec level is pretty balanced and advanced (at least I thought it is). Seeing France being just the same without investing anything into it is something I don‘t understand.

Because the literacy rate caps how much research points you can generate and use for unlocking technology.

Also techs are grouped into eras, so researching a next era tech when you have not unlocked all the ones in previous eras makes it more expensive.

Also they would still get tech spread for techs they do not have.

[Cerberus]

Originally posted by teron:

Originally posted by Cerberus:

You are right, but my tec level is pretty balanced and advanced (at least I thought it is). Seeing France being just the same without investing anything into it is something I don‘t understand.

Because the literacy rate caps how much research points you can generate and use for unlocking technology.

Also techs are grouped into eras, so researching a next era tech when you have not unlocked all the ones in previous eras makes it more expensive.

Also they would still get tech spread for techs they do not have.

I do know that, but either there is somehing not balanced yet, or innovation score and investing into it absolutely pointless as long as you have a decent literacy. With having 150 against 50 innovation France shouldn‘t be able to easily keep up with me, only because it has decent literacy (roughly same amount as I have, not even top level).

[Kimlin]

Technology is broken. Tech spread is far, far too strong.

[argentus]

Originally posted by Cerberus:

Originally posted by teron:

Because the literacy rate caps how much research points you can generate and use for unlocking technology.

Also techs are grouped into eras, so researching a next era tech when you have not unlocked all the ones in previous eras makes it more expensive.

Also they would still get tech spread for techs they do not have.

I do know that, but either there is somehing not balanced yet, or innovation score and investing into it absolutely pointless as long as you have a decent literacy. With having 150 against 50 innovation France shouldn‘t be able to easily keep up with me, only because it has decent literacy (roughly same amount as I have, not even top level).

The only times i've ever invested in universities is because im a completionist and want to get the philosophy department thingee, beyond that i never bother to build any and just let the industrial party donate if they want and i still can get stuff like railroads decades earlier than i should.

Another mark in the 'did not finish game properly' column.

[lubed_assassin]

Originally posted by Cerberus:

Originally posted by Jokoff Schön:

going to top tier tech early is not really worth it. balancing the tech on all 3 pages is worth alot of more.

You are right, but my tec level is pretty balanced and advanced (at least I thought it is). Seeing France being just the same without investing anything into it is something I don‘t understand.

They probably have free speech and are gettin 10% reductions on all techs through a happy government. Dont forget tech spreads to neighbors faster with free speech and slower with censorship.

[Cerberus]

Originally posted by lubed_assassin:

Originally posted by Cerberus:

You are right, but my tec level is pretty balanced and advanced (at least I thought it is). Seeing France being just the same without investing anything into it is something I don‘t understand.

They probably have free speech and are gettin 10% reductions on all techs through a happy government. Dont forget tech spreads to neighbors faster with free speech and slower with censorship.

Thank you for the trace. I checked them again, free speech gives 25% tech spread, but they don‘t have it they got censorship. At least at the moment, can‘t tell what they did in the past. Even if they got free speech, i basically got 300% of France‘s research ability. Not having even a slight research advantage feels wrong and imbalanced imo.