Great Powers intervening for no reason

[Monolithian Soldier #5]

I'm playing the USA and I made a dilomatic play to annex the indian territories. Both France and Britian decided to support them, and now Im at war with the two most powerful countries in the game. Why did the devs make the AI do this, it makes the game unplayable. GB and France have nothing to gain by preventing me from annexing my subject.

[Seraph]

Ya, at the very least they need to make the AIs reasons transparent. The system is clearly designed for WW1, but there needs to be a strong disincentive for wars between great powers until, say, 1910. That being said you probably should have backed down. If you capture the Indian territories fast enough you can probably white peach England and France out.

[SkyRipper]

that's realistic, why can't people study history? France literally went into bankrupcy and revolution all because they joined USA and anyone they could to screw up the British Empire, so ofc a great power will always try and stop you from becoming bigger, guess what they don't like to have other nations be bigger than they are wow right XD

[Allen659]

Originally posted by Twisted Bliss:

that's realistic, why can't people study history? France literally went into bankrupcy and revolution all because they joined USA and anyone they could to screw up the British Empire, so ofc a great power will always try and stop you from becoming bigger, guess what they don't like to have other nations be bigger than they are wow right XD

true but that was because french people hated british more than anything in the world and wanted to ♥♥♥♥ with them. in this case unless the op has low relations with them before/while doing the diplo play they shouldn't really care if they annex their subject or not.

[KONDO DEATH SQUAD]

I was Brazil and I was conquering a OPM Venezuela, and then Italy intervenes. So in the middle of that war, there's a peasant rebellion and splits the country in two, so NOW I NEED ANOTHER WAR.
AND THEN THE NEXT WAR A GREAT POWER INTERVENES.

[TasteDasRainbow]

Sounds like an infamy issue

[Toblm]

Originally posted by KONDO DEATH SQUAD:

I was Brazil and I was conquering a OPM Venezuela, and then Italy intervenes. So in the middle of that war, there's a peasant rebellion and splits the country in two, so NOW I NEED ANOTHER WAR.
AND THEN THE NEXT WAR A GREAT POWER INTERVENES.

Sounds like Venezuela was an important trading partner for Italy.
Disruption to a sugar and coffee supply line is a damn good reason for war.

[Konfusion with a K]

I hear a lot of people 'reasoning' why it makes sense, so how about why France, Russia, Denmark, the United States, and Spain all care whenever ANY two African 'tribes' go to war, but only when you're playing one of them?

(and yes, in a realistic sense, half the African 'countries' you can be would amount to that in the eyes of the west during this time period. Them wanting to eventually gobble up parts of Africa doesn't mean they'd send 100% of their army to stop Buganda from taking over Rwanda).

[teron]

The weirdest one I have seen so far was my game yesterday as the Ottomans.

England decided to puppet one of the small Ethiopian countries, then for some reason would not navel invade it. So their brilliant idea was the use violate sovereignty on a another great power (Ottoman Empire) because I shared a border with it. Which when I rejected dragged me into their war against them.

Their brilliant follow up Idea was to then use violate sovereignty on Russia….

End result was them fighting two other great powers they dragged into war and having to pay war reparations to a tiny country.

It also caused a bunch of economic damage since I was a major importer of English dye, and their imported a lot of my glass, steel, tea and weapons.

[Toblm]

Originally posted by Konfusion with a K:

I hear a lot of people 'reasoning' why it makes sense, so how about why France, Russia, Denmark, the United States, and Spain all care whenever ANY two African 'tribes' go to war, but only when you're playing one of them?

(and yes, in a realistic sense, half the African 'countries' you can be would amount to that in the eyes of the west during this time period. Them wanting to eventually gobble up parts of Africa doesn't mean they'd send 100% of their army to stop Buganda from taking over Rwanda).

If they were offered an obligation... thats plenty good enough of a reason to get involved in a cakewalk of a war.

[Toblm]

Originally posted by teron:

The weirdest one I have seen so far was my game yesterday as the Ottomans.

England decided to puppet one of the small Ethiopian countries, then for some reason would not navel invade it. So their brilliant idea was the use violate sovereignty on a another great power (Ottoman Empire) because I shared a border with it. Which when I rejected dragged me into their war against them.

Their brilliant follow up Idea was to then use violate sovereignty on Russia….

End result was them fighting two other great powers they dragged into war and having to pay war reparations to a tiny country.

It also caused a bunch of economic damage since I was a major importer of English dye, and their imported a lot of my glass, steel, tea and weapons.

Sounds like you should've said yes...

[Lost Latios]

Originally posted by Twisted Bliss:

that's realistic, why can't people study history? France literally went into bankrupcy and revolution all because they joined USA and anyone they could to screw up the British Empire, so ofc a great power will always try and stop you from becoming bigger, guess what they don't like to have other nations be bigger than they are wow right XD

Indeed, why can't people study history...

France joined to take a major colony away from the British and nab a nice new trade partner and ally...along with the good feeling of taking a bite out of the largest world power. Becoming bankrupt isn't part of anyone's major plan and in fact was probably something they explicitly didn't want to happen but had to deal with anyway. Spain for example, who also aided the revolution, did not go bankrupt.

Point is this 'realistic' war is absurd. The French and British have no ties with the natives in the mid west and no good reasons to fight for them other then 'I don't like US'.

[TarihDostu]

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[Prown]

To anyone adding reasons for why this system is the way it is, just stop, it's clearly broken and not fit for purpose

I had the Great Britain intervene in a Peasant revolt in my puppet (Krakow). Which should absolutely have been none of their business in the slightest.

Worst part is, because it was a revolt, the only way to win the war was to FULLY Conquer the Entirety of Great Britain in order for it to count as a victory.

So now I have to conquer Great Britain because a one province puppet had a revolt. Yeah, working great.

There should be NO intervention unless a great power is fighting another great power, only then should they get involved. This current system is just a way to ♥♥♥♥ with the player and force them to stop fighting any wars at all. Probably so you don't see how ♥♥♥♥ the war system actually is

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this should only be possible if those regions are in their declared interest in my opinion.

[Toblm]

Originally posted by This user got 1984:ed:

this should only be possible if those regions are in their declared interest in my opinion.

That is how it works.