Foreign countries crashing your economy late game by buying ALL your goods

[Ray]

Litterally the best way to destroy an enemy country isn't through war.....it's by buying all their stuff, it's litterally busted.

I set my tariffs to maximum under Protectionism and it still doesn't prevent the 10 biggest countries that all hate me to buy each 3000 of my goods with level 20+ trade routes turning my economy into +40k profit with lowest taxes into -160k deficit with maximum taxes in just a few clicks !

I can't afford to embargo all those fatass countries that are just sucking me dry. I could understand if I had free market enabled since that's how it works. But the fact that you have to pass the Isolationism law to avoid getting cheesed by AI countries buying your stuff on purpose (they actually produce a lot of the stuff they buy from me) to crash your economy is insane.

Also for some reason while they can buy 5000 of my goods at the expense of my entire population I can barely get 10 to 1000 of their goods maximum which is peanuts compared to what they buy from me.

Please rework the laws so that Protectionism doesn't just set some tariffs that the AI doesn't even care about but actively sets a rule that makes your population have priority over foreign trade routes. Because right now every trade rule except Isolationism is basically Free market but with different tariffs.

(P.S : Upgrading buildings doesn't do anything to help the issue, all it does is make foreign countries buy even more and crash your economy even more. I think it's unrealistic to expect your country to litterally supply the entire world population with your goods before you can take care of your own pops).

[Quillithe]

Seems related to https://steamcommunity.com/app/529340/discussions/0/3470612993475872903/

Yeah, trade routes seem to have some serious issues. Tariffs are so tiny compared to actual history, and transportation costs don't really exist?

And then you should be able to completely restrict trading a good, or at least not sell it off when it's over a certain price or something.

[ManBearPig]

Aye I just had the same issue with Qing China importing 2k tools from me. I had to embargo them because the tariffs made no difference and they only bring in a pittance in income as well. I'm starting to think the meta right now is Isolationism, anything else just cripples your economy for no benefit.

[Ray]

Originally posted by Quillithe:

then you should be able to completely restrict trading a good, or at least not sell it off when it's over a certain price or something.

This got me thinking about something hilarious to try in multiplayer : Buy all the goods of your rival, wait for them to desperately upgrade their buildings to match market demand and lower their deficit, then you just cancel your trade route to crash the price making them have to downsize or cope with 0% productivity.

[@rafamestizzo]

Originally posted by Ray:

Originally posted by Quillithe:

then you should be able to completely restrict trading a good, or at least not sell it off when it's over a certain price or something.

This got me thinking about something hilarious to try in multiplayer : Buy all the goods of your rival, wait for them to desperately upgrade their buildings to match market demand and lower their deficit, then you just cancel your trade route to crash the price making them have to downsize or cope with 0% productivity.

that's what china tried to make with taiwan. Starting buying them magoes for a good price for long years. Almost forcing them to monoculture their prodution for better profit. After that embargo when is needed. Mangoes are long term croops, they just could not chop the trees and start over.

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back to subject. I had the same issue on my late game. I'm thinking, maybe is it a good thing joining UK market to prevent this shortage of goods ?

[ManBearPig]

Originally posted by @rafamestizzo:

Originally posted by Ray:

This got me thinking about something hilarious to try in multiplayer : Buy all the goods of your rival, wait for them to desperately upgrade their buildings to match market demand and lower their deficit, then you just cancel your trade route to crash the price making them have to downsize or cope with 0% productivity.

that's what china tried to make with taiwan. Starting buying them magoes for a good price for long years. Almost forcing them to monoculture their prodution for better profit. After that embargo when is needed. Mangoes are long term croops, they just could not chop the trees and start over.

.....

back to subject. I had the same issue on my late game. I'm thinking, maybe is it a good thing joining UK market to prevent this shortage of goods ?

I'm not sure exactly how the join market thing works but I'd assume your just pooling together your resources and goods inside the same market? In which case if the UK has a shortage of tools then it will just continue draining tools from you anyway, though maybe not to the same extent as an import trade but still. Also you wouldn't get anything from tariffs this way either which is at least something,

[Qoojo]

In the thread in first post, one guy mentioned a potential way to "fix" this is to import the same good.

https://steamcommunity.com/app/529340/discussions/0/3470612993475872903/?ctp=2#c3470612993479341468