Vassals or Land?

[Lord Stig]

Hello firends Im playing as Brazil with the goal to unit most of south America and have a goverment led by Social Demokraterna

So far I have just done one smal war after the rebellion was crushed and now Im looking at what is a vise next move.

So to the question, is there any reason why I would want to make maby Chile a vassal/subject instead of taking it for myself?

[Many-Named]

vassals pay without much in return, while if you take over their problems become your problem

[Lord Stig]

Originally posted by Many-Named:

vassals pay without much in return, while if you take over their problems become your problem

Gog tip mate thanks! Have not meet any hardships yet so thats why if felt easier to just take stuff. But will try to take one or two and see how it works

[teron]

Puppeting is less infamy then outright conquest. Plus you can annex them later if you want at a reduced infamy if your relations are lower.

Plus they would be in your market, so you get access to their production and consumers.
Downside, they could not be building stuff you want or using crappier production methods.

Later you could annex them if they have resources that you want to develop. For example if Chile has a lot of sulfur that you want to build mines and railroads/ports for.

[Lord Stig]

Originally posted by teron:

Puppeting is less infamy then outright conquest. Plus you can annex them later if you want at a reduced infamy if your relations are lower.

Thanks mate for the answer, think I will get myself one or two puppets and see how it turns out as I realise that it would take some time to take all the land :)

[teron]

Originally posted by Lord Stig:

Originally posted by teron:

Puppeting is less infamy then outright conquest. Plus you can annex them later if you want at a reduced infamy if your relations are lower.

Thanks mate for the answer, think I will get myself one or two puppets and see how it turns out as I realise that it would take some time to take all the land :)

Just keep in mind, their relationship will increase over time. So sometimes it pays to run damage relationship if you plan on annexing them. Also annexing may lead to war, or they could fold.

[Lord Stig]

Originally posted by teron:

Originally posted by Lord Stig:

Thanks mate for the answer, think I will get myself one or two puppets and see how it turns out as I realise that it would take some time to take all the land :)

Just keep in mind, their relationship will increase over time. So sometimes it pays to run damage relationship if you plan on annexing them. Also annexing may lead to war, or they could fold.

One thing I noticed sadly after playing with a puppet for some hours. They don’t do ♥♥♥♥...
I was really hoping Argentina would colonize the land south of them as they have colonizing institution at lvl 3 but sadly they have not moved at all so now the Britts are taking the land.

What’s the point of having Vassals and puppets if you can’t direct them at the slightest.
So yeah, don’t recommend getting subjects at all until its reworked

[Tragopan]

Sounds like Stellaris vassals all over again. Ooof. Ironic that was recently fixed there.

[Kimlin]

Originally posted by Tragopan:

Sounds like Stellaris vassals all over again. Ooof. Ironic that was recently fixed there.

Vassals aren’t completely useless in Stellaris anymore?

[The Layup Legend]

Glad to hear it isn't just my vassals that do absolutely nothing. I got the netherlands as a dominion and they don't even colonize anymore. How exactly do you annex them?

[teron]

Originally posted by The Melt Man:

Glad to hear it isn't just my vassals that do absolutely nothing. I got the netherlands as a dominion and they don't even colonize anymore. How exactly do you annex them?

Damage relations till they are neutral or lower then an annex diplo play. Which can lead to war or they could back down.

Or Austria could decide to get involved, which happened in my current game annexing one of my south american puppets. Which was absolutely hilarious since I shared a land boarder as Russia. Also that they import a lot of stuff, especially small arms, artillery, grain/other food, coal, iron, and ammo from Russia.

Starting to develop the mindset of if a great power gets involved, and I can force them to release lands I go for it.

[Tragopan]

Originally posted by Kimlin:

Originally posted by Tragopan:

Sounds like Stellaris vassals all over again. Ooof. Ironic that was recently fixed there.

Vassals aren’t completely useless in Stellaris anymore?

Nope! They're actually meta now. There was a whole DLC about it, of course. (Overlord)