How do I manage tiredness?

[Loppemaster]

I recently started a pro cyclist mode as a 20 year old stage racer and set the national championship as one of my goals, but now that it's close i'm at 70+% tiredness unable to get a decent result cause my fitness of the day is -3. I've even been adjusting my training intensity down by quite a lot because I've had this problem in other saves(119% tiredness in late june that spiked down to 15% over a day).
I even tried giving two weeks of break without any races and my tiredness still went up by 4%.

[RandomName]

*Bump* since I would like this question answered by someone at PCM or someone in the know.

[Ismael]

Edit the .db :D

[maurizio.sibille]

I face the same problem.
Training schedule is unpredictable.
Though I check it almost every week, sometimes suddenly the tiredness red line grows up for no understandable reason, not having changed the training plan or the race schedule.
Maybe the season objectives graph doesn't take count of tiredness after a race.
The point is that it's pretty useless.
I would like to read a reply by someone from PCM too.

[j.derksen42]

I have the same problem. The fatigue just won't go down fast enough. My rider was after the Giro and Dauphine really tired (>80 fatigue), which I understand. I stopped with the training in the last week of May and started it again in the third week of July for the Vuelta. In this period, I only rode the Dauphine, National Championships and the Sibue tour or something. So I didn't train in two months and I had 16 race days and in July I had still a fatigue of 58%. I trained a couple of weeks and rode San Sebastian and Utah tour and my fatigue at the start of the Vuelta was 84%. So my changes on a good classification is nihil. I don't understand how this could be.

[Rogo]

The red line is your tiredness, when it rises in the graph, its always > 50%. If the line is at the bottom of the graph the tiredness is always < 50%.

What i do is i start the season on medium and keep it at medium training for a long time. When the red bar gets above 50% and i see the bar rising in the graph, i plan a break week (sometimes 2 weeks) whenever it suits me but as soon as possible.

This works great for me, for some reason whenever i hit my season objectives i am always at 100 fitness as long as i keep my tiredness below 50%.

[maurizio.sibille]

Thanks Rogo,
You gave me a hint.
I'll try next season.
Yet I don't understand why the red line on the training graph rises suddenly without making any changes to training or races schedule.
For sure there is some bug because if I change the intensity of training for a week, the effects are not updated on the Season objective screen immediately, but if I navigate to Team or Results pages and then I come back to Season objectives, I can see red line changes.

[j.derksen42]

One week break doesn't work for me, even if I have no racedays in the week. The fatigue still rises then. After the first break the graph drops a lot but in reality the fatigue drops just a little so it doesn't work for me.

[Lazzarus170882]

The graphs you see at the start of the season only take account of your training. Each race day will have an effect on that graph, like more tiredness and less training points.
This means you have to check your planning every couple of weeks to see where you stand at and make changes if needed. If you need your tiredness to go down, a week without training won't work if you have races planned during said week, because races will raise your tiredness.
I hope this helps

[An[G]el]

the problem is, that races arent count in the graph like Lazzarus says. It was before they started updating the game. I dont know why they dont want to fix this. in the manager mode of a team its still taking races in count... now its just uplayable for me. sad to see they lost me as a player who just returned to the game after a few year.

[Loppemaster]

The problem is not only the graph for me, it just seems illogical. After Giro and dauphine i had build a lot of tiredness, so I took two weeks of break. Week 1: 6 days of break and one NTT, tiredness went by 4%. Next week: Again 6 days of break and the national championship, tiredness went up by 2%. How can 1 race really do that much? If those two races had been in the same week the change in the first week hadn't been much different, but the tiredness loss in the second would be bigger by far. So why does that first race in a week otherwise full of break do that much

[maurizio.sibille]

By watching often the fitness graph I confirm that even only one race placed in a training break week causes tiredness to jump up suddenly in a illogical way.
It ruins the training plan for months, also changing the fitness peek forecast.
The problem with tiredness is especially awful for a stage races rider.
It makes the game almost unplayable.

[maurizio.sibille]

I hope someone can explain this ...
In Pro cycling mode I'm running a season with Vuelta as main objective.
I decided to remove all scheduled races 2 months before the event in order to avoid the annoying well known issue about tiredness.
I checked the training graph every single week to control there were not surprises.
All went well until the day before Vuelta stage 1: low tiredness and fitness peek to come around stage 14.
On stage 1 day, before launching the 3D race, I go and check the training graph and ...
tiredness has increased abruptly (what was < 50% now ranges from 57% to 81%).
Moreover the fitness peek has shifted ahead about 3 weeks and positioned when the Vuelta is over.
I remark that there were no races in the last 2 months nor I modified anything on training.

[JiB]

There is a great guide for french readers : http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1105181764

[Cypou]

Originally posted by maurizio.sibille:

I hope someone can explain this ...
In Pro cycling mode I'm running a season with Vuelta as main objective.
I decided to remove all scheduled races 2 months before the event in order to avoid the annoying well known issue about tiredness.
I checked the training graph every single week to control there were not surprises.
All went well until the day before Vuelta stage 1: low tiredness and fitness peek to come around stage 14.
On stage 1 day, before launching the 3D race, I go and check the training graph and ...
tiredness has increased abruptly (what was < 50% now ranges from 57% to 81%).
Moreover the fitness peek has shifted ahead about 3 weeks and positioned when the Vuelta is over.
I remark that there were no races in the last 2 months nor I modified anything on training.

There is 2 things to know for managing tiredness for a season :
1.The planning doesn't take into account the races you will be in (unless in career if you preregister the cyclist to the race) .

2.the most important thing i found out is that for a break to lessen your tiredness, you need to make it a full week (from monday to sunday)...

A full week of rest reduce tiredness by around 30%...So for break always make it at least a full week WITH NO RACE...

In your case, the trap is the following : your planning show you no risk of tiredness because it assumes you won't run (the vuelta) but you run the sunday (start date) so instead of you losing 30% and be fine, you found yourself screwed over...
Also your planning maybe had no hard training during the race so during the time period of the race it assumed you would make no big effort...But cause you started the GT, this period is now considered a period you use 100% effort and your planned tiredness for the next weeks skyrocket!!!

As a rule of thumb to avoid this kind of bad surprise always put hard training during the weeks of your races when you do your planning, then adjust the interrace training to have less than 50% tiredness (you can slighty go past on the end of an objective before a break period)...

(i do this for my GTer on pro-cyclist and manage to win in a season all GT + Swiss Tour + Romandie + Catalunya and sometimes Tyrenno and Pais Vasco tour...i don't do it in carreer for all my cyclists, since it's a chore to do it for 25 cyclists)

[maurizio.sibille]

Thank you cyprienrafai.
It all makes sense about the weird graph's behaviour.
I will follow your suggestions.
Yet I'm far from finding a schedule to win all 3 GTs in the same season.

@Jib:
The guide is very useful.
My compliments to the author.