A controversial question

[Unseen]

Why does lance get a nazi uniform at the end of the game? Do the people who make this game think nazi's are cool? Or support nazi's? Just wondering cuz, this suit is not WW1 german, or franco prussian era... Its clearly a nazi generals suit, the same people ordering hundreds of thousands into the gas chambers.

Troll me all you want, I have a right to ask questions, and frankly nazi's are ♥♥♥♥ing scum of the earth, why would I want their uniform?
Now dont get me wrong the games fun and I beat it on the hardest difficulty... But why do this♥♥♥♥♥♥with nazis? I mean who are you appealing to? Because I believe it or not, see a lot of pro nazi filth all over steam.

And to disguise it as well, its clearly a nazi uniform, changing the swastica into a skull doesnt make it any different. Why not just admit lance is a nazi pos?

[TOYSIPO2]

this discussion seems about done - w -

i say not that the cognizant neo-nazi is a good person; rather, we have many different minds with different ideals today which both sides of the political spectrum today call neo-nazis who only follow aspects of the ideological tenants without knowledge that what they follow would be under definition fascism; they're uneducated, and they act out because they care but are fed information intended to rile them up and aim them against others, because this information is making money and there's profit in selling batons and picket signs to both sides.

we have very few lunatics going around saying "lol haha i'm a neo-nazi what up boi"; and if you think we have a demographic like that, you're mistaken; neither antifa nor "radical right-wingers" (a term used to label me numerous times even though i'm a centrist) do what they do out of evil, malice or silly unexplainable lust for fascism; they're promised things

if i've said "not every neo-nazi is a bad person", i speak of people more aligned with my thinking, because the people i'd label neo-nazis label centrists as neo-nazis. everyone's labeling everyone as neo-nazis, but the difference is i actually recognize and frown upon fascism and have a stable life, and those who judge me are on their way down the rabbithole of modern youth, rage-induced poverty and inability to judge more complex concepts; for in their desire to obtain immediate gratification, they deny themselves safety, livelihood and self-growth. anarchy is the moment they've been waiting for, and those who do not desire it are simply weak satelites, battlegrounds of contesting ideologies and not quite fully developed understanding of their world.

natzor above is correct in saying that we cannot always safely consider someone to be a neo-nazi due to word down the street; your friends or twitter feed is not a good source of information, and the conflicting feelings regrading hard to think about topics are not to be embraced but surpassed.

we may throw hitler and nazism around all we want, but we need to actually recognize the powers at play today. it'd do you good to learn the personalities of today and actually recognize intent; no one's evil for the sake of it, and if they seem to be, they know not the gravity of their actions. never mistake for evil what can be attributed to stupidity.

on that note, i don't call modern "neo-nazis" good people, i'd consider the ones i've confirmed to show signs of fscist support and ideology simply ill-informed and misguided; the most violent having completely fractured lives with no friendship or security, and with that, a learned refusal to work, improve, or help others. we cannot and never will fix them, we have failed them, but we may carry on the positive attributes of our ancestor's legacies.

[Unseen]

My god white people are often the victims of violence?
I'm white, and yes we are, from other white people. Worked a lot of jobs, met some angry black men, but none of them ever beat the ♥♥♥♥ outa me like white dudes back in school, and I never had to beat the ♥♥♥♥ out of them like white dudes back in school.

Nevermind the cops, shooting people dead for a saxaphone, you people see one narrow passage and dont seem to give a ♥♥♥♥ about what other people go through.

I mean i didn't even bring up ANTIFA, i brought up our grandparents who died by the millions, not just USA, my grandpa fought for the british. Frecnh, all these people, polish, died by the millions cuz of these ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ not antifa.. In fact when did african ever invade another culture? Unless you wanna go back the the pyramid days, not once.

Arguing with you people is a complete waste of time an energy, you never think these groups do anything wrong, when they march around with nazi banners and hitler portraits, it is so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ nasty, its a spit in the face out our democracy.

Then pat yourselves on the back, oh this conversations done.
Is it? Did I agree? No i dont, I dont ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ agree at all, this conversations not done and none of you make a bit of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ sense.

Putting ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ rape and nazi filth in a cartoon game that appeals to kids, IDGAF you should all know better.

[TOYSIPO2]

didn't really say nothin' 'bout white or black folk, just said our people're disjointed and uneducated. i talked about my own hardships, but they don't mean nothin'.

guess bringin' specific political standpoints into the discussion got you in a tissie, oh well.

when i see these groups do things wrong, i recognize that. when i call them misguided, i'm not atoning for their sins or tryin'a make up for it, i'm implying they're stupid, but i'm also implying this nation's problems are from our social system and education. if you wanna have the U.S. make less "evil people" or "people who do wrong", you'd best educate yourself what it means and how to fix our people and not treat the symptoms.

but you don't want to listen, you just want to argue, so yes, this discussion is done. you're wasting everyone's time and your own, and you'll do nothing but hurt and degrade any discussion you take part in.

you don't know who your enemies are; you don't know how to tell who your enemies are.

bringing up many aspects of our world (such as antifa and people's mindsets) is vital in telling what is actually of benefit to the nation.

you're worthless and weak. and don't anyone tell me i'm wrong, because anyone who can't bring his head out of himself to read intent and look further than himself is a blight to society and only serves to further what his grandfather fought against.

...then again it's not like i expected civilty walking in XD but this is a disappointment, i thought we were gettin' through to this guy, but nah. and this is why we need to restructure education, because it's infinitely easier to teach a developing child than a developed child.

apologies for being so direct, but we need strength to be able to think at bare minimum capacity without going completely insane. if you can't be gentle with them, be rough with them. if you can't be rough with them, they're a lost cause. maybe you'll get somewhere bein' nice, but with the frayed emotions this day and age and the money at play, this is bigger than intellect, this is economics and power influence.

if there's anything that gets me, though, "you should know better". what's that coming from? tell me why we should know better. just 'cause we look at things different then you, we should know better? what stops me from calling you a fascist then, y'hypocrite? we should know better for having different preference. we should know better for not being you, for having different lives and different emotions, different priorities and not being as weak as you?

oh, if only we were all the same, huh? if only we accepted you as right and us as wrong. if only, if only, if only.

...i wanted to put a final one-liner here to be mean, but that'd be a little cheesy at this point (not that i haven't been hammy enough here), so i guess i'll just say something like "don't talk politics again". 'cause, honestly, you're not cut out for thinking. maybe one day you'll be out there protesting fascism by killing innocent people, because the narrative confirmed time and time again that they're the nazis your grandfather fought- you know, broken people led by a powerhungry lunatic, caught up in a power struggle and made evil. innocent? not all of them, certainly. but you speak out against humanity, freedom of speech, and america. i won't tell you to point a gun at yourself- figuratively- but think hard. if you're gonna play sides, pick one and shut up while things beyond your comprehension roll out without explanation. be angry, be sad, be whatever, but no matter what you are, you're wasting your time, and your opinion's ultimately irrelevant to the broad spectrum.

...except, of course, the one instance you might get some art censored. really doing your 'ol paw justice, son. while you're at it, look up the nazi regime. didn't they say knowing your enemy was half the battle?

[Natzor]

mattshaneworkman původně napsal:

My god white people are often the victims of violence?
I'm white, and yes we are, from other white people. Worked a lot of jobs, met some angry black men, but none of them ever beat the ♥♥♥♥ outa me like white dudes back in school, and I never had to beat the ♥♥♥♥ out of them like white dudes back in school.

Nevermind the cops, shooting people dead for a saxaphone, you people see one narrow passage and dont seem to give a ♥♥♥♥ about what other people go through.

I mean i didn't even bring up ANTIFA, i brought up our grandparents who died by the millions, not just USA, my grandpa fought for the british. Frecnh, all these people, polish, died by the millions cuz of these ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ not antifa.. In fact when did african ever invade another culture? Unless you wanna go back the the pyramid days, not once.

Arguing with you people is a complete waste of time an energy, you never think these groups do anything wrong, when they march around with nazi banners and hitler portraits, it is so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ nasty, its a spit in the face out our democracy.

Then pat yourselves on the back, oh this conversations done.
Is it? Did I agree? No i dont, I dont ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ agree at all, this conversations not done and none of you make a bit of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ sense.

Putting ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ rape and nazi filth in a cartoon game that appeals to kids, IDGAF you should all know better.

First of all I NEVER stated what the nazis did was right, what they did was atrocious and they were monstrous for doing so. Communism has also killed a ton of people so they aren't excused either. However I wasn't born when they commited their atrocities nor have family that was affected by nazis either so they aren't significant to me as it is to you.
And when was sex jokes, eating shrooms aimed towards KIDS of all things? that's some projection stuff right there (including thinking we forgive what they did).

A spit towards democracy? antifa pretty much due to their facist ways of "protesting" (using any means including violence to shut down the opposition).

Lastly, nazis shouting "♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥" and waving flags? they have a RIGHT to it, even if you disagree with it. Just as you have a right to voice your opinions about them. It's sad to see that you can't just move on and let the discussion die, because there doesn't seem to be much more to discuss, and I'd rather not have this thread end up in flame wars of all things.

[essen]

I'm wondering, does the game Adventure Communist (also on Steam) get the same kinds of threads? Because, you know, communism killed 100 million people so far, much more than Nazism.

[Unseen]

And when did I praise communism?
I haven't attacked anyone personally here or claimed anyone here is a nazi, but I seem to be getting these lectures on ANTIFA and BLM 2 groups I'm not a part of.

Someone said its a NAZI's right to go screaming in public, is it their right to jump in a car and run over dozens of people? What ANTIFA member has done something that barbariac? Its because nazi right wingers have always been prone to violence.

Communists were also right wing, look up stalins purges, libs were the first to go, the communist libs werent good people, cuz of trotsky, but they still got purged by worse people.

I dont advocate violence for any side, and I'm not a full lib or SJW, I believe in right to firearms, and the death penalty. I have a clean record, I dont need to go rob or kill someone, and if someone else does... They should be punished. I believe rapists, killers and pedophiles should be hanged, hows that for liberal? None of you people have to agree with me, I think people who hurt innocents should be dealt with, is law and order weak as well?

Dont want hanged by law, dont go around doing loathesome ♥♥♥♥ to people. Dont want hanged by a military tribunal like in nuremberg, dont be a hateful pos genocide master.

[essen]

I didn't say you did but you gotta admit that a small costume is nothing in comparison to a whole game about an even more murderous ideology.

mattshaneworkman původně napsal:

What ANTIFA member has done something that barbariac? Its because nazi right wingers have always been prone to violence.

There's been no death from Antifa attacks but there's been many near-deaths so far and a lot more attacks overall. It's not surprising that they're now considered a terrorist organization in the US. It's only a matter of time until an antifa gets in a car and rams into people.

Don't get fooled, both antifa and nazis are collectivists, which is the root of all evil in this world (the top 3 murderous ideologies are collectivists, unsurprisingly; and similarly, the countries where people enjoy the most freedoms are individualists).

Anyway, this is probably not the best place for this kind of discussion. :-)

[Unseen]

Where would you discuss this considering its THEIR game.

I dont agree with collectivism, as you state it, but, I do agree with taxes and helping people.
And I dunno, the nazi dude killed and injured dozens, and ANTIFA hasn't killed anyone, and somehow they are worse in all of your eyes. I dont care, I'm not BLM or ANTIFA, I'm a white guy, who had a grandpa who fought fascism and got horribly injured and I feel like praising those scumbags makes my blood boil.

And I dont appreciate getting called weak by a nazi sympathizer.

Very anti nazi, anti tyrant, anti violence, anti fascist, and I feel no ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ shame for hating hate. I dont get wtf is wrong with you people.

[essen]

Antifa are not worse, they're the same kind of crazy. Only there's a few thousands Nazis in the West as a whole, while there's a lot more antifa and antifa sympathizers (because somehow acting like facists is OK if you call yourself "anti fascists"). It's not a case of one being worse, it's a case of one being more worrying than the other due to the scale of it. I mean there are even University professors either actively taking part or pushing students to take part, it's not a fringe phenomenon. And hopefully we can acknowledge a problem BEFORE people start dying.

I personally live in a country that was under Nazi rule for a few years. My family was in occupied land at the time. I'll even say I live at the border of what was Nazi lands with the free lands just a few hundred meters away from where I lived when I was a kid, so I've heard my fair share of stories about these times. Despite this, I don't see much point being worked up about a uniform.

There are many things that are worth being outraged about a lot more than a silly uniform in a video game. It's like destroying statues because of what they supposedly represent while living in a country that ended slavery and without realizing there's never been more slaves in the world than today. The kind of outrage that only highly privileged people can have, at the scale of the entire world.

[TOYSIPO2]

XD i guess i'll put it simply:

i don't sympathize with nazis, i'm trying to make you understand that the "nazis" of today were created by reasons seemingly beyond your comprehension, and if you wanted to make "nazis" stop generating with the frequency that they are, you'd fight the ideologies that make them and not whine about a costume in a video game that resembles a nazi outfit.

like, boo freakin' hoo, a nazi uniform, egads. meanwhile you could be targeting the educational system which pushes people into hyper-social mindsets or examining the thought processes of these "nazis" and using that to combat them, but no, going that far is "being a nazi sympathizer". such is why you are weak, you don't have the capacity to think, and you shield your ignorance with outrage.

such is why i call you your own enemy. such emotions can only lead to groupthink, and such groupthink can only lead to hate and violence, be they not by your hand but by your descendants, unless some third power steps in and feeds you what you want to hear and feeds you violence as the immediate, easy solution.

again, people are smart enough to see a nazi outfit and not go "lol guess i'm a nazi now hahaha ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥" like that's- that's not how it happens...! it's a collective distribution of ignorance and misinformation, not "oh i see nazis ohp whelp ima nazi now", seriously. to even imply such is a monument to your short-sightedness.

just because you're too angry, dead in the head and bull-headed to read my words fully, don't assume i'm your enemy, or you'll simply doom yourself to repeating history and walking the path of ignorance your enemies walk. but who'm i to tell you how to control your emotions, great one?

additionally, banning something is the best way to make it popular, too. just look at the prohibition, and the current ban on weed. people go "ah wow guess them institute morons really don't want me gettin' into this... so let's get into some trouble!". the better reverse-psychology of course would be to let people discuss and find out what sucks instead of treating things like a luxurious taboo like we've been drugs and sex.

additionally, it's our hyper-social society which has promoted the generation of teens who listen not to parents but to one another, and have no knowledge source so they just kind of live and learn whatever comes their way, and when they're hyper social and the powers that be infuse power into sex, drugs, and popularity, well... there's your recipe for a stupid populace and a flux of ignorant folk, as well as the select few champions of failure who get indicted into the raid parties of antifa, with no lives, no jobs, no real friends, and no idea what they're doing, but they're doing it because that's all they can do.

the reason "hate speech" is a stupid notion is because the very idea that it must be combatted is to imply people aren't smart enough to evaluate their information and are affected by pure emotional groupthink and momentum- like you. XD

y'need your defintion of a nazi to not be "someone who doesn't kneejerk every conclusion". i dislike evil just as much as you, but i know how to recognize it and fight it, meanwhile you're sitting here calling me evil while taking a dump in your metaphorical diaper and shaking your rattle at colorful pictures of what you think your enemy looks like.

well, i say that, but considering i can't even convince you how to be a little open-minded, i don't think i can do much figurative fighting unless i was a zealot similar to antifa goons or other "social justice warrior" types. i simply don't have the time or drive to dedicate my life to giving up my personality, pleasures and feeble progression to charge ideologies based only in emotion and momentum, something decided fully by a majority vote and groupthink, not thought. i'd lose anyway because money does an infitessimally better job at convincing people than simply being angry, and groupthink flows in waves, and is not something one man can so simply control without the proper funds to control many many other variables and environments.

[Natzor]

mattshaneworkman původně napsal:

Someone said its a NAZI's right to go screaming in public, is it their right to jump in a car and run over dozens of people?

Communists were also right wing, look up stalins purges, libs were the first to go, the communist libs werent good people, cuz of trotsky, but they still got purged by worse people.

When was communism right wing again? I thought communism was based off socialism (collective ownership of the means of production, and isn't socialism left winged?).

Also every man and woman that lives in a country where free speech is part of the constitution has the right to voice their own opinion, even if you don't agree with them. Violence has nothing to do with that, and ANY offender that breaks the law in pursuit of their own ideology and perspective on life SHOULD be punished under said law.

[essen]

Socialism only feels left-wing because right-wing socialism got destroyed during WWII (Nazism). At the time there was two opposing socialism: national socialism vs international socialism. The latter survived, then morphed a few times following the failures and atrocities of a few communist governments in the 50s and 60s ("not true communism") to become what it is today. Most of today's collectivist groups that play identity politics come from there.

[Unseen]

essen původně napsal:

Socialism only feels left-wing because right-wing socialism got destroyed during WWII (Nazism). At the time there was two opposing socialism: national socialism vs international socialism. The latter survived, then morphed a few times following the failures and atrocities of a few communist governments in the 50s and 60s ("not true communism") to become what it is today. Most of today's collectivist groups that play identity politics come from there.

Communism never had anything to do with liberals, mainly because by the time communism was established it was ran by right wing dictators, or just dictators in general. I couldn't say stalin was a right or left winger, just an @$$hole.

But the nazi's we're most def right wing, and I know my history, please look up the night of broken glass and the night of the long knives.

And yes you have the right of free speech, you can be a nazi all you want, and put nazi stuff in your games, including killing nazi's... But that doesn't mean its in good taste, and if we have freedom of speech we can also say how we think that kind of thing is disgusting. I never once vouched for violence against any group and I think rioting in the street is BS... Peaceful protest is fine tho, just like football players kneeling. I dont get why a free country is forced to salute the flag? I have more pride in scotland than usa, I'm not pushing scotlands national anthem on people, in fact I'm not even a big fan of bagpipes lol.

But the one thing I understand, I'm white, and respect and tolerance doesn't go one way, its suppose to go both ways... You can't expect white culture or western culture to be respected if you have a generally bad or hateful idea of others... We're the ones who brought in imperialism, we're the ones who conquered the globe... been a long time since the mongals.

[Natzor]

mattshaneworkman původně napsal:

And yes you have the right of free speech, you can be a nazi all you want, and put nazi stuff in your games, including killing nazi's... But that doesn't mean its in good taste, and if we have freedom of speech we can also say how we think that kind of thing is disgusting. I never once vouched for violence against any group and I think rioting in the street is BS... Peaceful protest is fine tho, just like football players kneeling. I dont get why a free country is forced to salute the flag? I have more pride in scotland than usa, I'm not pushing scotlands national anthem on people, in fact I'm not even a big fan of bagpipes lol.

Well wolfenstein is all about killing nazis right? at least as far as I know and some people like that thing (I'm personally no fan of shooters, and I would be terrible at them if I where to play any again but I digress)

[Unseen]

I actually think the alt right neo nazi scum in USA is worse than the ones in nazi germany, really. Not hitler or his crew of course, but the regular german nazi or soldier, just doing popular opinion.

But over here, its pure hatred, that's why they follow that ♥♥♥♥. But honestly I think the developer had the best reasoning, I dunno why BLM or ANTIFA got mentioned im not with those groups, but yea... Developer summed it up pretty well, lance is a prick.