Is it worth its price?

[Leoscar]

Now I wish the question wasn't so stupid, but I played Wipeout Pulse on PSP a lot when I was a kid, and the demo seem to show that the game has solid mechanics.

However, it's a racing game, those can get repetitive really fast, and I expect from a game something like 1 euro=1 hour.
The game also seem to have a few expensions, which raise the game's full price to approximatly to 53 euro, sure expensions aren't a must have, but in the demo I noticed that the game doesn't have a lot of variations between ships, sure there is tier 1 to 4, but visually nothing too different, so I guess at least one of those expansion add a serie of 4 ships.

I read that singleplayer is solid apparently, which is good, but online isn't too active apparently :/
Well, I guess I can deal with that, as long as I can race in multiplayer from time to time.

Most negative review come from people having technical issues with VR, which I don't use, so not too worried when it comes to the quality of the game, I'm worried about the content and repetitiveness. So basically, can this game hold me on it for at least 60 hours or more?
Or should I instead wait for a sale? I really want to play that, but if I end up playing 10 hours and no more, I will not be able to refund and that'd be lost money.

[MeganeDamashii]

For some people, racing games provide nearly endless replayability with time attack / leaderboards or multiplayer. If you're into neither of those, it becomes a tougher sell.

The singleplayer career without DLCs should give you around 15 hours playtime. All DLCs combined contain 40 additional career events. That alone won't be enough for your 60+ desired hours.
(I'm not a fan of putting too much weight on these figures, but there you go)

The Neptune Pack does add another team, but I didn't find their ships to be all that exciting, personally. With a game like this you have to consider that less may be more. If they kept adding ships, a bunch of them would probably end up being redundant, stat-wise. (This is more of a design philosophy discussion though)

True, the multiplayer isn't all that active, as one would expect from a niche indie game. As in: You cannot start up the game and expect to immediately find an online lobby to join.
However, the main menu displays how many people are hosting. So if you decide to host your own lobby, there's a good chance that one or more of the current players will notice you and join.
The most effective way to find online races is probably to engage with the community (Discord). Whether that's acceptable is your call.

Lastly, you may want to consider a bundled offer like this one:
https://www.bundlestars.com/en/bundle/redout-complete-pack
This contains the soundtrack and artbook as well, but in my opinion, that price is absolutely worth it even if you're only interested in the game + track packs.

[BlackShark 3D]

I have spent 55 hours on the game.
Although I really like it, I wouldn't buy it full price. I'd definitely wait for a sale/bundle.

The game is all about speed, trajectory, learning the very unusual ship physics, learning the crazy and twisty tracks, and finding the right time to use the boost button. It's exilarating !
There aren't any other games on the market like it.

The ships are technically quite different from each other, but you don't feel it much when playing. It's only when checking the lap times that you realize one ship is significantly faster than the other.
It's the downside of flying a 1000km/h... you don't really feel a difference of a few extra km/h unless you measure it with a stopwatch.
And that the biggest downside of the game. The speeds are so fast that the slightest trajectory imperfection can make you loose a whole second and you haven't felt anything.

At first, the AI feels tough because you'r elearning the tracks and the physics. But once you get good enough, you take one of the speed powerups and you'll trash the AI by the 3rd corner (even in the highest difficulty setting). There are no rubberbanding mechanisms to help the late drivers catch up. And no handicaps to being in first palce. So if you are good enough to get ahead, you'll stay ahead. There are no blue shells in this game.

Multiplayer feels exactly like single player, except it's not you VS the entire pack of AI, but it's you vs other players. And that's the problem.
Good players will pull ahead within the first few corners of a race and you'll never see them again. You might as well play time trial and compare the leaderboards, the results are exactly the same.

Still, it's quite humbling when you have mastered the campain, believe you are a good player and then get trashed by someone significantly better than you within the first few corners.

[Leoscar]

Originally posted by MeganeDamashii:

For some people, racing games provide nearly endless replayability with time attack / leaderboards or multiplayer. If you're into neither of those, it becomes a tougher sell.

The singleplayer career without DLCs should give you around 15 hours playtime. All DLCs combined contain 40 additional career events. That alone won't be enough for your 60+ desired hours.
(I'm not a fan of putting too much weight on these figures, but there you go)

The Neptune Pack does add another team, but I didn't find their ships to be all that exciting, personally. With a game like this you have to consider that less may be more. If they kept adding ships, a bunch of them would probably end up being redundant, stat-wise. (This is more of a design philosophy discussion though)

True, the multiplayer isn't all that active, as one would expect from a niche indie game. As in: You cannot start up the game and expect to immediately find an online lobby to join.
However, the main menu displays how many people are hosting. So if you decide to host your own lobby, there's a good chance that one or more of the current players will notice you and join.
The most effective way to find online races is probably to engage with the community (Discord). Whether that's acceptable is your call.

Lastly, you may want to consider a bundled offer like this one:
https://www.bundlestars.com/en/bundle/redout-complete-pack
This contains the soundtrack and artbook as well, but in my opinion, that price is absolutely worth it even if you're only interested in the game + track packs.

Thanks for your answer, well, I'm not into climbing leaderboard and grinding, but I enjoy competition from time to time.
I think I'll buy the game from a bundle, or wait until a sale. Humblebundle should have that some day, or gamesplanet.

[S2riker]

Originally posted by Leoscar:

Now I wish the question wasn't so stupid, but I played Wipeout Pulse on PSP a lot when I was a kid, and the demo seem to show that the game has solid mechanics.

However, it's a racing game, those can get repetitive really fast, and I expect from a game something like 1 euro=1 hour.
The game also seem to have a few expensions, which raise the game's full price to approximatly to 53 euro, sure expensions aren't a must have, but in the demo I noticed that the game doesn't have a lot of variations between ships, sure there is tier 1 to 4, but visually nothing too different, so I guess at least one of those expansion add a serie of 4 ships.

I read that singleplayer is solid apparently, which is good, but online isn't too active apparently :/
Well, I guess I can deal with that, as long as I can race in multiplayer from time to time.

Most negative review come from people having technical issues with VR, which I don't use, so not too worried when it comes to the quality of the game, I'm worried about the content and repetitiveness. So basically, can this game hold me on it for at least 60 hours or more?
Or should I instead wait for a sale? I really want to play that, but if I end up playing 10 hours and no more, I will not be able to refund and that'd be lost money.

Currently, the game has upwards of 130 career mode events that are sure to take you probably 15 hours alone, and that's not to mention the insane amount of replayability the game has as far as mastering each track and venturing into the online mode and time trials (I've done about 100 hours myself). I've played nearly every futuristic racing game ever released and trust me when I say this, Redout might be the best one ever!

However, if repetition is not really your thing, I'm not sure this would be the best purchase at full price. The relatively difficult mechanics and elaborate tracks practically mandate that you play them over and over to get really good, so if you'd get tired of that then I'd wait for one of the bundles that pop occasionally with all DLC included. I bought everything full price and would pay it again in a second, but your mileage may vary.

[ZephTheAwesome]

Repetitiveness is sort of mandatory in racing games as their tracks are ones you'll eventually learn. The question is: how far do you want to go to get better (or the best) at these?

As for racing online, sure there isn't a lot of action in general - it is an indie game after all and it's not massively well known. However, we have a discord server with over 1000 members now, and usually dropping a message in the right channel there will get you some people to play with. If you're interested, here's the link: https://discord.me/redout (to me it seems perfectly fine to have you join and ask some questions if you want to know anything in more detail, even if you don't own the game yet).

And yes, to me the game's worth its price (but then again, I have over 500 hours into it).

[Leoscar]

Originally posted by Zeph:

Repetitiveness is sort of mandatory in racing games as their tracks are ones you'll eventually learn. The question is: how far do you want to go to get better (or the best) at these?

As for racing online, sure there isn't a lot of action in general - it is an indie game after all and it's not massively well known. However, we have a discord server with over 1000 members now, and usually dropping a message in the right channel there will get you some people to play with. If you're interested, here's the link: https://discord.me/redout (to me it seems perfectly fine to have you join and ask some questions if you want to know anything in more detail, even if you don't own the game yet).

And yes, to me the game's worth its price (but then again, I have over 500 hours into it).

Thanks, once I get the gme I'll make sure to join that Discord.
For repetitiveness, it's not a problem if it's not too repetitive, I can play Trackmania just fine, grinding for gold on every track, however I don't bother with trackmaster medals.

[BlueLightning]

i really like the game, but i will wait a 33% or bigger discount instead of buying full price, as i know 40% is really often on this game

[Spaghettacus]

I plan on buying this later but I advise to the devs against releasing it on PS4 due to very stiff competition from Wipeout Omega.

[S2riker]

Originally posted by Pretty Good:

I plan on buying this later but I advise to the devs against releasing it on PS4 due to very stiff competition from Wipeout Omega.

It might be the perfect time to release on PS4. A bunch of new fans who've just cut their teeth into Wipeout Omega might be looking for similar titles in the genre- enter Redout.

[Longevity]

wipeout omega is definitely the top pick for this genre, if you have a ps4 I'd play that first.

redout is cool if you don't have access to omega or are finally done with it

[Carlos Antenna]

online doesnt look too active but if you host a game its visable to anyone in the game, theres an active players and lobbie counter on all of the menus in the top left

so host a game and players see this, then join and after about ten minutes you will have a full game

[S2riker]

Originally posted by Longevity:

wipeout omega is definitely the top pick for this genre, if you have a ps4 I'd play that first.

redout is cool if you don't have access to omega or are finally done with it

Wipeout Omega feels incredibly slow and stiff after playing Redout IMO; I wouldn't even put it top three in the genre. It's a great package, don't get me wrong, but Redout just takes the whole concept to such a higher level.

[Spaghettacus]

It's true that Redout and Wipeout Omega are only the same in the sense that they both involve hovercrafts that race each other. They key thing to keep in mind however is that when putting the two side-by-side it is not the intricacies of the individual games' design, but the fact that the average Joe will not be able tell the two games apart. Redout is not a long-term existing brand in the PlayStation family like Wipout, does not have weapons, uses a minimalist low-poly style which people ignore in favor of high graphical fidelity, is still not released for the PS4 yet while Wipeout is, has a relatively unpopulated online community, and doesn't have the backing of Sony marketing. For these reasons it will falter compared to Wipeout Omega. While these reasons seem shallow, they are ultimately what will decide the sales and separate success from failure.

[Carlos Antenna]

at this point its not too related to the conversation but redout is 67% off for the next 18 hours @
https://www.bundlestars.com/en/game/redout-enhanced-edition