No sound ignition (solved related to battery)

[Abu]

Aight so I restarted the game because one of my save files just died cuz I forgot to back it up (in which i didnt fully make my car). Basically in like 3-5 hours I managed to finish my car, engine, and general wiring. i struggled for the wiring earlier but it seemed to work. I filled the car up with fuel, motor oil, coolant, and etc.... The car was ticking and didn't start, so i tuned the carburator and then the ticking noise was gone, then after that I tried to start it again and the starting noise just kept going and the car didn't start, and I used the choke by the way. Somehow afterwards one of my batteries died, and my car wouldnt start and there was no noise, and I could not turn on the lights and etc, so i figured it was the wiring. I checked wiring on msceditor, and it was done well, so then I thought it was the battery. Bought a new battery, and then same issue, but this time you could hear the car starting but it didn't start just like before. At this point I just gave up in life and I checked the satsuma report and fixed some of the faulty stuff (which wasn't even causing the issue most likely), and then I went into the "wiring" thing on msceditor, and I put all the bolts to true (im guessing the guy in the tutorial forgot to bolt everything after the wiring). However after that I did some research and realised it was most likely the alternator being broken as it wasnt taking in electricity from the battery or something like that, and most likely killed it. I took it to fleetaris to fix the engine part (alternator). Put back in the alternator, and still there was no noise or starting up. Checked msceditor on satsuma report and everything looked good, so I didn't know why it was starting up.

I'm honestly giving up at this point, also I put a new battery before i chose to fix the alternator, and I was about to screw in a wrong bolt first (positive terminal), and it started electricuting and stuff, and then it just stopped. I bought a new battery randomly, and did a similar thing, and this time the wiring electricity thing from the terminals didn't react (there was no sound or shining from the electricity freaking out when i was about to tighten the positive terminal before the negative one). So I'M GUESSING my whole wiring thing is just dead now either because i was ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ on msceditor or because of the terminal bolt thing.

Sorry for writing this long, but it's a complex issue. I'd appreciate any help, thanks!

UPDATE: Can start now but battery dies quickly, starter is bolted but randomly falls off during the ignition process. The ignition sound is slow too. Like a person stuttering.

[Sprite Matt0x6]

The wiring is impossible to mess up or damage unless you're using msceditor.
If it is 100% wired, the starter 5mm bolt is tightened, and the 7mm bolt on it is tightened, try putting the battery in the charger, what does it say?

[Abu]

Originally posted by Sprite Matt0x6:

The wiring is impossible to mess up or damage unless you're using msceditor.
If it is 100% wired, the starter 5mm bolt is tightened, and the 7mm bolt on it is tightened, try putting the battery in the charger, what does it say?

Hi, Thanks for the response.

Both bolts are tightened, and I made sure to check. I bought 2 new batteries and tried both (made sure to tighten the 8mm bolts). Same issue, car wont start no sound. I did the wiring before by myself, but I rechecked with msceditor regarding to it to see if I did everything properly and it seemed to be all good. But since I was retarded, I put some of the bolts tightened from false to true, which I'm guessing you aren't supposed to do, and now my wiring is screwed. Any idea how I should fix it or what to do?

[Sprite Matt0x6]

Originally posted by Cardi C:

Originally posted by Sprite Matt0x6:

The wiring is impossible to mess up or damage unless you're using msceditor.
If it is 100% wired, the starter 5mm bolt is tightened, and the 7mm bolt on it is tightened, try putting the battery in the charger, what does it say?

Hi, Thanks for the response.

Both bolts are tightened, and I made sure to check. I bought 2 new batteries and tried both (made sure to tighten the 8mm bolts). Same issue, car wont start no sound. I did the wiring before by myself, but I rechecked with msceditor regarding to it to see if I did everything properly and it seemed to be all good. But since I was retarded, I put some of the bolts tightened from false to true, which I'm guessing you aren't supposed to do, and now my wiring is screwed. Any idea how I should fix it or what to do?

First, put the battery in the charger, they can die fairly quickly, what number does the needle point to?

[combatwombat]

also did you try turning the key several times or once, a new starter wear has put in place where it may take a few turn keys to fire and an alternator has nothing to do with starting a car, also it sounds as if your fairly new so keep in mind that all the parts are worn/dead that you start off with so best save over ten grand to fully rebuild the engine and dont forget to do some heavy research into how one of these wheezy little four bangers work as it helps trouble shooting later on

[Abu]

Originally posted by Sprite Matt0x6:

Originally posted by Cardi C:

Hi, Thanks for the response.

Both bolts are tightened, and I made sure to check. I bought 2 new batteries and tried both (made sure to tighten the 8mm bolts). Same issue, car wont start no sound. I did the wiring before by myself, but I rechecked with msceditor regarding to it to see if I did everything properly and it seemed to be all good. But since I was retarded, I put some of the bolts tightened from false to true, which I'm guessing you aren't supposed to do, and now my wiring is screwed. Any idea how I should fix it or what to do?

First, put the battery in the charger, they can die fairly quickly, what number does the needle point to?

They are both at 12.

[Abu]

Originally posted by combatwombat:

also did you try turning the key several times or once, a new starter wear has put in place where it may take a few turn keys to fire and an alternator has nothing to do with starting a car, also it sounds as if your fairly new so keep in mind that all the parts are worn/dead that you start off with so best save over ten grand to fully rebuild the engine and dont forget to do some heavy research into how one of these wheezy little four bangers work as it helps trouble shooting later on

Hey there,

I'm not actually new it's just that im a little dumb sometimes. Anyway I know that some of the parts can be worn and etc as it's an old car. That's why I bought new parts including the alternator and pistons and headgasket. I didn't buy a new starter though, I checked thru msceditor about the starter and it doesnt seem to be damaged. The wear is at 86 and the tightness is at 16. Should I earn some money to spend on a new starter then? Or does it seem good?

[Choose]

Did you remember to align the camshaft?

[Abu]

Originally posted by Choose:

Did you remember to align the camshaft?

Yeah.

[gulegule]

If the battery charger reads 12, the battery is fully discharged (the charger dial is how much current is being sent to the battery, as it charges this drops). If the dial stays there the battery is fully dead.

In your first post it sounded like the car would turn over, but then die. Did the big red alternator warning light come on then? Starting the car drains a fair bit from the battery, and if it is stalling quickly after that the battery won't have a chance to recover that charge (especially if the alternator is not charging it)

EDIT: re-read your first post. It sounds like your busted alternator drained (and maybe killed) both batteries. Have you used a new battery since fixing the alternator?

[Sprite Matt0x6]

If the needle's are at 12 it's completely dead, sorry to say this, but, buy a new battery.

[Abu]

Originally posted by Sprite Matt0x6:

If the needle's are at 12 it's completely dead, sorry to say this, but, buy a new battery.

Chief, I'm slowly running out from money by buying new batteries

[Abu]

Originally posted by gulegule:

If the battery charger reads 12, the battery is fully discharged (the charger dial is how much current is being sent to the battery, as it charges this drops). If the dial stays there the battery is fully dead.

In your first post it sounded like the car would turn over, but then die. Did the big red alternator warning light come on then? Starting the car drains a fair bit from the battery, and if it is stalling quickly after that the battery won't have a chance to recover that charge (especially if the alternator is not charging it)

EDIT: re-read your first post. It sounds like your busted alternator drained (and maybe killed) both batteries. Have you used a new battery since fixing the alternator?

Yep, no reaction both died out of no where. Both were at 12 that I put in after I fixed the alternator at fleetari's. The red light did shine, thats why I went and fixed it. I'll do some work, try to charge one of the batteries, and then spend money on a new one hopefully :/

[Abu]

Originally posted by gulegule:

If the battery charger reads 12, the battery is fully discharged (the charger dial is how much current is being sent to the battery, as it charges this drops). If the dial stays there the battery is fully dead.

In your first post it sounded like the car would turn over, but then die. Did the big red alternator warning light come on then? Starting the car drains a fair bit from the battery, and if it is stalling quickly after that the battery won't have a chance to recover that charge (especially if the alternator is not charging it)

EDIT: re-read your first post. It sounds like your busted alternator drained (and maybe killed) both batteries. Have you used a new battery since fixing the alternator?

Heres an update: I bought a new battery, I took it to the charger at home (it was in the middle) so it was working fine. Put it in the car, and then I bolted it. It worked well, the noise for the engine was back. The red light was shining tho, and the car wouldn't start up. I took out the battery and measured it again, and this time It was half till dead. So the alternator LITERALLY drained half of my car battery in one go, despite the fact that I fixed it, why is this?

[gulegule]

Originally posted by Cardi C:

It worked well, the noise for the engine was back. The red light was shining tho, and the car wouldn't start up.

I don't really follow what happened here. Did the engine try to turn over but didn't engage? Then the battery was fully drained? If the engine didn't turn over, what noise do you mean?

If the alternator is fixed, I think it could still fail to charge the battery if the belt is broken, or too loose.

[Choose]

The alternator wil first start to charge the battery, when the engine is running. So forget about it.

Is the distributor adjusted correctly.