Cutting Marthas face

[kelso]

Hello,

sorry but this is too heavy for me. Here I have finished the demo. The game starts very interessting, but this szene was too much. That is sick.

[Steve]

Thank you for playing our demo. Martha does feature a strong and mature storyline. LKA's goal was to have players experience the internal conflict of the main character and to summon an emotion in the player.... There is much more to be revealed in the main game and even more boundaries of comfort to push, but it will also have more context surrounding it.

[The Reality Paradox]

Originally posted by kelso:

Hello,

sorry but this is too heavy for me. Here I have finished the demo. The game starts very interessting, but this szene was too much. That is sick.

Sorry but what did you was expecting from a game like this? fairies and talking rabbits?

I think that before buying or trying a product, first of all, inform yourself about the content you are going to get, this is obviously not a suitable genre for you and aims at a mature and adult audience.

There are a lot of film productions that are even more violent and gruesome than what you've experienced in game. :)

[MadMax]

Please, maintain your posture and don't censorship the content. The game have a lot of potential.

[maumers]

Cutting Martha´s face was really strong even for me who see lot of gore stuff and have real life bloody experience. Developers put you in that situation because they want to connect you with inner and deep conflict of protagonist and they do it clever way. It is really cool this gore stuff isn´t only game content, it´s rare BTW, but game carry story not with graphics.

[Gangleri]

There was a very clear trigger-warning at the start of the game. So what do you expect? But I must admit -- this scene was one of the heaviest things in a videogame I've ever experienced, especially because it's not just a cutscene and you must move the mouse to perform the action. But if it fits the story the devs want to tell and they contextualize it in the full game. -- go for it.

[KoDonMio]

This particular scene made me feel very bad too, so I had to delete the demo right before I could see the result of this horrifying action... But I have to say, it really evokes emotions, that I haven't experienced for a very long time in video games, so it might be worth it, if you have a strong spirit of course.

[The Reality Paradox]

Originally posted by IndigoAK:

Originally posted by Gangleri:

There was a very clear trigger-warning at the start of the game. So what do you expect? But I must admit -- this scene was one of the heaviest things in a videogame I've ever experienced, especially because it's not just a cutscene and you must move the mouse to perform the action. But if it fits the story the devs want to tell and they contextualize it in the full game. -- go for it.

A trigger warning doesn't excuse exploitative content. If anything, it just makes it worse.

The developer attempting to hand-wave away people's concerns with, "Oh, this is just what mature games do!" should speak all you need to know about how they approach depictions of violence in media. It reads like somebody saying, "Oh, this violence is necessary and you're a lesser person because you don't understand why."

It's arrogant, it's harmful and insulting (or should be) to anybody who's survived or survives with a metal illness that manifests with self-harm.

What are you talking about? it is a PEGI 18+ game, this happens in any other content, whether it is a movie you watch at the cinema or a TV series, you are not a minor so you are the one to protect yourself, if you have psychological problems you certainly have someone who follows you otherwise they will not leave you alone, in that case you would not be a subject at risk.

The contents shown are not MINIMALLY COMPARABLE TO A CINEMATOGRAPHIC PRODUCTION THAT IS BASED ON ACTORS AND REAL LIFE SCENES.

To give you an example, this is one of those movies;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Clockwork_Orange_(film)

Watching this film you will realize what it really means to create a violent and macabre content, because here some do not know how to distinguish one from the other.

If you want to criticize something, do it for the contents that are calibrated 14+ when instead they are for a purely adult audience.
To criticize such a game for something that does not belong to it is truly ridiculous.

[The Reality Paradox]

Originally posted by IndigoAK:

Originally posted by OmniaMorsÆquat:

What are you talking about? it is a PEGI 18+ game, this happens in any other content, whether it is a movie you watch at the cinema or a TV series, you are not a minor so you are the one to protect yourself, if you have psychological problems you certainly have someone who follows you otherwise they will not leave you alone, in that case you would not be a subject at risk.

The contents shown are not MINIMALLY COMPARABLE TO A CINEMATOGRAPHIC PRODUCTION THAT IS BASED ON ACTORS AND REAL LIFE SCENES.

To give you an example, this is one of those movies;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Clockwork_Orange_(film)

Watching this film you will realize what it really means to create a violent and macabre content, because here some do not know how to distinguish one from the other.

If you want to criticize something, do it for the contents that are calibrated 14+ when instead they are for a purely adult audience.
To criticize such a game for something that does not belong to it is truly ridiculous.

Violence is not mature. Neither is the developer pretending that because the game contains violence, that the story is mature.

Your fallacy is your belief that violence is something that mature stories just have.

No, the definition of these productions is the non-adaptation to an audience of minors regardless of the content it reports, whether it is macabre or not.

These are warnings, the content inside has nothing to do with it, it can be a film or animated game but for an adult audience, the context itself changes according to the production, this is inserted to alienate minors and sensitive people.

South Park, an animated film that seems suitable for children but is not as there are strong languages ​​and contempt for ethnic groups, despite being a comedy, as mentioned only serves to keep easily susceptible people away.

Violence or not, it all depends on the content you want to bring to the public, there are no guidelines to follow, it all depends on the production.
There are games that literally tear people apart like in the case of DOOM, yet there is no such criticism about it.
You have games where you shoot and kill people, where you kill animals for survival and so on.

Sorry for the lengthy content, this is just to make people think about these concepts and to make it clear that criticizing a title that is forbidden to minors for its content is just as useless.

[kelso]

Is that the level at which you want to discuss? If so, please do it at home.

[gwifa]

Originally posted by IndigoAK:

A trigger warning doesn't excuse exploitative content. If anything, it just makes it worse.

The developer attempting to hand-wave away people's concerns with, "Oh, this is just what mature games do!" should speak all you need to know about how they approach depictions of violence in media. It reads like somebody saying, "Oh, this violence is necessary and you're a lesser person because you don't understand why."

It's arrogant, it's harmful and insulting (or should be) to anybody who's survived or survives with a metal illness that manifests with self-harm.

As someone who suffers mental illness with a history of self-harm, you're an idiot.

I wasted 20 minutes of my life typing a more involved response, but please take this frank comment along with a complimentary block.

[a7]

Originally posted by steve:

LKA's goal was to have players experience the internal conflict of the main character and to summon an emotion in the player.... There is much more to be revealed in the main game and even more boundaries of comfort to push, but it will also have more context surrounding it.

It seems to me that LKA's goal is rather getting attention at any cost, with consumers numbed with omnipresent gaming violence, so extreme approach is needed.
I doubt that majority of EU citizens welcome that EU funds are used for such "art". Plus changing identity in this way is pure nonsense, but of course, it must be high "art" too.

[Armoxie]

Personally, that's one of the parts that sold me on the game, it's disgusting but I like that it's a weird game in general, it makes it different than most games. I appreciate it when games try to get me outside of my comfort zone, but I also know not everyone is up for this. Disclaimers are often taken for granted these days, but in this game they are absolutely warranted.

[NinerNation0752]

LOL Steam is so funny.

[a7]

Originally posted by Armoxie:

I appreciate it when games try to get me outside of my comfort zone, but I also know not everyone is up for this. Disclaimers are often taken for granted these days, but in this game they are absolutely warranted.

A lot of games have an option to turn off excessive gore and I think it would be useful here as well. I played lots of violent and horror games, so I'm not particularly squeamish, but still have some limits.

[Ibadgrammar]

after i try demo this game not for me
feel off