Did trump win the popular vote or not?

[Doomerang]

I keep hearing different things from different sources

[cowbell]

Clinton
228
Trump
290

He got more votes than Hillary.

[Doomerang]

No not the colleges, I mean the citizen vote.

[furrykef]

The current count according to the Associated Press[interactives.ap.org] is 60,371,193 for Trump, 61,039,676 for Hillary. So Hillary got 668,483 more votes than Trump.

[RitterZero]

She also got from 1.2 to 3 million votes from non-citizens and dead people. 1.2 is an ultra-conservative estimate based on what we know from 2008.

[furrykef]

Proof? From what I understand, voter fraud is exceedingly rare.

[Der Hexer]

Originally posted by FireBrand:

Did trump win the popular vote or not?

I keep hearing different things from different sources

so now your "best" most credible source is a steam game forum?

[Wise Guy]

Who cares, he still won.

[cowbell]

Originally posted by furrykef:

Proof? From what I understand, voter fraud is exceedingly rare.

Likely in Project Veritas.

[FatOldCat]

Well, first you need to understand that it's not entirely based on votes. Each state is divided up into districts and each district votes separately. This allows for a more fair voting system, because if it were based only on votes alone, then it would mean city people would decide who gets elected and farming/rural communities would have no voice.

The USA has 538 electoral districts from which to elect the U.S. President, and the districts are made up of 435 seats in the house and 100 senator positions, along with 3 other additional elector positions. Your vote counts inside your electoral district, but outside your district, your vote has little meaning in the democratic system.

This system is also more fair in another way because it ensures that within each district is a representative that fits the majority of the people within that district. While I am not entirely familiar with the U.S. system, in Canada, the representatives who are voted in but are a member of the non-elected party, they are known as "the opposition", and if they have a significant number of seats, their party will be the "official opposition party". These are terms you may see used a lot in the MSM (mainstream media). Quite often, the official opposition party is absolutely useless, because Congress (House & Senate) will often have enough seats (51%+) that their votes alone will overshadow any other representatives. In very rare circumstances, the house representatives can vote against their own party line and favour the votes of the opposition.

Usually if you have a concern that you want to bring up, such as high crime levels, lack of jobs, housing, or something else, you can bring these issues up with your electoral district representative to get the issue looked into. This is how democracy works. Democracy does not mean that you can burn cop cars to force your government to do what you want.

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i thought canada used ashly madison to elect there grand poobar

[FatOldCat]

Nah, we have a very similar system, but we don't vote for the Senate, those are appointed by the elected party. We just vote for our local Member of Parliament (called a House Representative in the U.S.) and whichever party has the most electoral seats controls Parliament. The second party with the most votes is the official opposition party, and then the rest are just there to keep the rest of the seats warm. (Sorry Elizabeth, but we know the Green Party will never get anywhere.)

If the elected party has less electoral votes than the total of the remaining elected members, then the government is called a Minority Government, where basically nothing can get done, whereas if the elected party has more electoral votes than the remaining elected members, the government is called a Majority Government.

In this case, Donald Trump & the Republican Party are an elected Majority Government.

Back on the topic of popular vote vs electoral vote, your vote has more strength inside an electoral vote system because your vote does not compete with the rest of the country; it competes with the rest of the people inside your electoral district only. There was no excuse for not voting, and nobody should be blaming anyone else but themselves if they are unhappy with their election results if they haven't voted.

[Wafflesaurus Supreme]

Originally posted by 真大的肥胖猫:

There was no excuse for not voting, and nobody should be blaming anyone else but themselves if they are unhappy with their election results if they haven't voted.[/h1]

This. I did not vote for Trump but I am annoyed at people that complain about the result that they could very well have had a part in shaping. Most of the world has no say in selecting their political leadership. Too many people struggled to win voting rights for all Americans. If you're too good to vote with everyone else, you have no business opening your mouth.

[Doomerang]

Seems he just barely lost it, which means nothing considering all the illegal votes (obama even told illegals to vote), undead voters who somehow always vote democrat, and state jumpers. The Hillary livestream was even dubbed "victory party." She was so sure she was going to win and that she was entitled to it. It was so pretentious it made me sick, till she lost and then it became glorious.

[Wise Guy]

Originally posted by FireBrand:

Seems he just barely lost it, which means nothing considering all the illegal votes (obama even told illegals to vote), undead voters who somehow always vote democrat, and state jumpers. The Hillary livestream was even dubbed "victory party." She was so sure she was going to win and that she was entitled to it. It was so pretentious it made me sick, till she lost and then it became glorious.

This started the event, the "triggering" as people call it.

[Wafflesaurus Supreme]

Originally posted by FireBrand:

considering all the illegal votes (obama even told illegals to vote)

Non-biased source, please.