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Various plot questions [SPOILERS!]
Just completed the game! And I have a handful of plot questions. Hope someone can help!

1. So... Adam developed a powerful AI clone of himself, Adam tried killing it and it hid, Adam made a virus to root it out, the AI got Victor to kill RL Adam. AI Adam summons Dan to the building, initiates the lockdown, and works on physically luring him to where he's hiding. Did I get that right?

2. How did the AI get Victor to kill Adam (and the others)? Was he being paid, manipulated, or controlled? I recall the e-mail on his computer complaining about parts he sent being unusable, so presumably he was strapped for cash (which he needed to feed his drug habit?).

3. What was the whole thing with the doctor and the woman he had... gone overboard with? He made her too mechanic, they tried reversing it, and she more or less became a vegetable? Did this have anything to do with anything, or just some random world building?

4. Why didn't AI Adam immediately tell Dan to go to the Sanctuary?

5. At one point, Dan looks in the mirror and sees the monster that has been sporadically chasing him. I thought that was how he actually looked, especially since one or two folks seemed to react weirdly. But I guess not, and that the monster is just a metaphor for his guilt/inner demons and 'inhumanity' now that he's a cyborg?

6. So Dan was going mad, as he would see things that weren't there (without connecting to someone's mind)? Why, exactly? Was this a sudden thing, or had it been a lengthy problem for him?

7. Even if you embrace Adam, you have to attempt to call for help during your Janus interaction at the end. I don't quite see why, if you had actually agreed to merge minds so that he could escape.

8. Why was Chiron against RL Adam's AI research?
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Ursula Ang Nov 26, 2019 @ 9:57pm 
I also just finished it and am super confused!! I hope someone can answer all these questions bc I'm lost :(
Waylander Dec 10, 2019 @ 6:58pm 
1.) That was my reasoning too.

2.) In Victor's lair there is a recording which says something along the lines of the "person" with the nice voice who makes sense and understands. I think it was AI Adam playing on Victors fears and past in order to manipulate him into doing as he wished. Victor to me seemed to have been very unsure of his identity and tried (by having 'strange' surgery) to emulate wolves which he idolised throughout his childhood. So AI Adam basically played into that by telling him to embrace his 'wolf' side.

3.) As far as I can tell that was the Doctors history and why he had his licence revoked. On his computer there are emails about him losing his licence and from a husband blaming him for the failed surgery. The doctor was doing experimental surgery. Not sure if it was him trying something new which failed or him using her as a guinea pig.

4.) Because he wanted to manipulate Daniel by making him mentally weak enough to take over I think. The repeated connecting into multiple people including at least 1 which was dead had weakened Daniels mental state to the degree that if AI Adam had to he could overpower Dan. His goal all along was to get into Dan's body whether Dan was willing or not. You'll note that he tries to 'play nice' all the way up until you have connected to him and its already too late to back out. At which point he reveals his actions and doesn't even bother to keep you on his side.

5.) So Dan's wife died from something which would have been cured by augmentation. Dan appears to have been the one to convince her not to undergo the augmentation. Either that or Adam blames him for not talking her into it. Either way after that Dan is in some kind of incident and agrees to undergo augmentation to save his own life. From Dans POV he does this so he can take care of Adam but from Adams he does it to save his own skin.

At one point you can knock on a door and talk to one of the Immaculates. Immaculates are people who choose to live without Augmentation as 'God' created us. During this conversation Dan makes some kind of comment about the augmentation he underwent not being entirely his choice. During the scene near the end Dan says to Adam in a flashback that if his wife had undergone the surgery 'she wouldnt have been her anymore' So either the surgery would have caused personality shift or similar OR the surgery itself is the problem

My theory is that either Dan was Immaculate and thats why he convinced his wife not to undergo the surgery (but later on did "whatever it takes" to look after his son). So he sees himself as a monster because his own personal beliefs were that of purity of body. So his inner psyche is always conflicted between his beliefs and his promise to his wife.

6.) Couple of things. Dan does have a few lost moments and I think that is possibly related to the post mortem Observer of the woman in the tattoo shop (Helena). The AI in his Augments says it is illegal and dangerous which he overrides and does anyway. I think this is what causes him to have some memory loss.

The only times he sees things that arent there are when he is in someones mind or in some kind of VR. The sequences at the end are all while he is still connected to the VR suite as evidenced by the inability to use any of his vision augments.

The only other time he actually sees anything and has access to his vision augments that I experienced was the fleshy apartment after the Doctors Observation. This sequence ends with you disabling a VR suite which makes me believe that all of that wasnt in his mind but VR all along.

So I don't think he actually sees anything. Just has some minor memory jumps as a side effect of mind jumping a dead person.

7.) Possibly because now that you have combined with Adam you realise he has manipulated you all along and is now basically just puppeteering you?

8.) Not really sure on this one. Possibly because there is no market in it for them? They specialise in technology and augmentation and if Adam succeeds then people arent going to be be buying any or needing anything beyond power and server space? I'm not really sure. Everyone going digital would mean they never have to buy anything again.
Not really sure on this one.
Last edited by Waylander; Dec 10, 2019 @ 6:59pm
Ursula Ang Dec 11, 2019 @ 10:34pm 
Waylander, thanks for weighing in on all of that much-needed insight! I have a few follow-up questions following Smiskeriminister's format:

1) Why did Adam decide to do the AI research in the first place? I think this might've been answered toward the end of the game, but I was so into it that I sprinted thru the last leg and can't recall the exact reason.

2) So all the weird recordings Victor made about "him/he" and religious ♥♥♥♥ and purpose/judgment etc. were referring to AI Adam? And what's up with him killing people in the woods? Did he actually do any of that, or was it all a kind of psychological hallucination/fantasy due to the wolf augmentation he had?

5) I happened to knock on the immaculate's door and that was definitely an interesting sequence that further explored people's varying perspectives on AI augmentation. But you didn't really answer the question if Dan ACTUALLY looks like the Dream Eater monster IRL, or if that was just a metaphor when he looked in the mirror bc of the conflicting ♥♥♥♥ that went down with his wife and son. I'm thinking it was a metaphor. But then who/what exactly was the Dream Eater? A completely fabricated digital monster created by AI Adam to psychologically ♥♥♥♥ w anyone who was "connected" to the system? I remember AI Adam said something about the monster getting out of control and trying to kill Dan even though he wasn't supposed to...?

6) "So I don't think he actually sees anything. Just has some minor memory jumps as a side effect of mind jumping a dead person." But what about how he would physically be somewhere, connect to whoever was there, go thru their experiences, then turn up at a completely different location from where he initiated the connection and had no idea where he was or why he was there? That seems more drastic than minor memory jumps...



Thank you both for sharing!
Shaloc Dec 12, 2019 @ 3:57am 
Originally posted by Ursula Ang:
And what's up with him killing people in the woods? Did he actually do any of that, or was it all a kind of psychological hallucination/fantasy due to the wolf augmentation he had?
This is the only one I think I understand. He wanted to be a wolf, so he sort of SAW the building and his prey as the woods/deer. I think that's why the images overlapped a lot. You'd see plants suddenly growing, and when he catches the deer it flashes to a person (or the reverse way, I forget).
PapaMike91 Dec 12, 2019 @ 8:42am 
Originally posted by Ursula Ang:
Waylander, thanks for weighing in on all of that much-needed insight! I have a few follow-up questions following Smiskeriminister's format:

1) Why did Adam decide to do the AI research in the first place? I think this might've been answered toward the end of the game, but I was so into it that I sprinted thru the last leg and can't recall the exact reason.

2) So all the weird recordings Victor made about "him/he" and religious ♥♥♥♥ and purpose/judgment etc. were referring to AI Adam? And what's up with him killing people in the woods? Did he actually do any of that, or was it all a kind of psychological hallucination/fantasy due to the wolf augmentation he had?

5) I happened to knock on the immaculate's door and that was definitely an interesting sequence that further explored people's varying perspectives on AI augmentation. But you didn't really answer the question if Dan ACTUALLY looks like the Dream Eater monster IRL, or if that was just a metaphor when he looked in the mirror bc of the conflicting ♥♥♥♥ that went down with his wife and son. I'm thinking it was a metaphor. But then who/what exactly was the Dream Eater? A completely fabricated digital monster created by AI Adam to psychologically ♥♥♥♥ w anyone who was "connected" to the system? I remember AI Adam said something about the monster getting out of control and trying to kill Dan even though he wasn't supposed to...?

6) "So I don't think he actually sees anything. Just has some minor memory jumps as a side effect of mind jumping a dead person." But what about how he would physically be somewhere, connect to whoever was there, go thru their experiences, then turn up at a completely different location from where he initiated the connection and had no idea where he was or why he was there? That seems more drastic than minor memory jumps...



Thank you both for sharing!

1. I think that Adam started his interest in tech and AI because of his mother's death, and the disgust of his father for it (rebel attitude). Later, he saw that, with enough research and tech power, he wouldn't need a body anymore, his mind would be totally in the digital world, rendering him immortal. Tough his mother died, he would have a perfect solution for death. But his experiments kept going wrong, and in the end, he decided to try an AI version of himself, but as we see, things didn't go well.

Another question: what is AI Adam's true purpose? To just 'live free', or to replicate this 'conected mind' all over the web, creating an immortal paradise?
ItchyDani3l Dec 16, 2019 @ 2:07am 
Allow me to interpret:

1. I'm not entirely certain that the AI Adam is the version which called Dan in the introduction. I think that to answer your question 4, it's helpful to assume it was the real Adam and not AI Adam. Real Adam wouldn't know where AI Adam is hiding, he's just trying to call his dad because he's in trouble.

2. Judging from the cutscenes, it seems like AI Adam was emailing Victor through the internet, and it also seems like a version of Adam was indeed inside of Victor's mind (hence, he was able to whisper to him to go to apartment 104 after he killed real adam). So it was probably easy to manipulate him from inside his mind.

3. The whole thing with the woman was a huge elaborate set-up to explain the backstory of why the Tattoo artist got his surgeon license revoked. And probably also why he's a class C citizen now. (he was either class A or class B before, judging by his apartment and education).

4. See my explanation for #1. It's possible that AI Adam didn't have the means of contacting Dan until he reached Victor's den. (Maybe AI Adam communicated with Dan the same way he did with Victor)

5. At the same time he looks in the cutscene, Adam says something about "true nature." Also, Adam has been mocking Dan for receiving life-saving augmentations in other scenes. This scene is most likely a reference to Adam accusing Dan of being a hypocrite for accepting augmentations to save his life, when he rejected the idea of augs for his wife. Adam is reminding Dan that he's augmented, and therefore a hypocrite.

6. Like other commenters said, Dan was actually in a VR simulation during every instance that he saw weird stuff. He's always either 1) in someone's brain, 2) in the VR simulation in the basement or 3) in the VR simulation in Sanctuary

It's important to note: The 1st time that Dan "wakes up" from the Sanctuary VR pod, he's actually still inside the Sanctuary VR pod and Adam is tricking Dan into thinking that he has left the pod and is investigating the Chiron building.

7. I think this is because once Dan merges minds with AI Adam, he realizes that he's made a mistake... Adam can't hide anything from Dan when they're sharing a brain, so Dan has a brief moment of hesitation, before AI Adam takes over.

8. AI Adam actually mentions this in the ending. Chiron wanted to keep the research for themselves and/or sell it for a really high price. And needless to say, access to Human AI would eliminate the need for human employees, so Chiron would become immensely more powerful.

In contrast, AI Adam with exclusive rights to this technology could be able to found a new corporation capable of rivaling Chiron (because he doesn't need human employees).

Either way, Chiron would be very interested, and want to stop him.
Waylander Dec 22, 2019 @ 8:57pm 
Originally posted by Ursula Ang:
Waylander, thanks for weighing in on all of that much-needed insight! I have a few follow-up questions following Smiskeriminister's format:

5) I happened to knock on the immaculate's door and that was definitely an interesting sequence that further explored people's varying perspectives on AI augmentation. But you didn't really answer the question if Dan ACTUALLY looks like the Dream Eater monster IRL, or if that was just a metaphor when he looked in the mirror bc of the conflicting ♥♥♥♥ that went down with his wife and son. I'm thinking it was a metaphor. But then who/what exactly was the Dream Eater? A completely fabricated digital monster created by AI Adam to psychologically ♥♥♥♥ w anyone who was "connected" to the system? I remember AI Adam said something about the monster getting out of control and trying to kill Dan even though he wasn't supposed to...?

6) "So I don't think he actually sees anything. Just has some minor memory jumps as a side effect of mind jumping a dead person." But what about how he would physically be somewhere, connect to whoever was there, go thru their experiences, then turn up at a completely different location from where he initiated the connection and had no idea where he was or why he was there? That seems more drastic than minor memory jumps...

Thank you both for sharing!

Your other questions were mostly answered in other peoples posts so I'll just discuss these as they were directly related to my suggested answers.

Dan looks like a normal human as evidenced by his ID which we see a few times. As far as I can tell the monster chasing us is just a literal representation of Dan's inner demons. So because he is in a mentally created world his inner demons are actual beings and can actually hurt him there. So Dan is normally more 'centered' if you know what I mean. So in his normal duties his inner demons don't get as strong or take form because he is mostly calm and in control of himself. In this situation though he is going through multiple observations including a post mortem one and they are all personal. He is desperate to find his son/ confirm that the body WASNT his son. At the end of his mind jumps he tries to recenter himself each time by using some kind of mantra but is pretty ragged mentally by the end of the night. This I think was AI Adam's plan in order to make it easier to manipulate him and mentally take him over.

The alternative is that it is a side effect of the post mortem observation as it only happens after that point and Dan has to bypass safeguards in order to perform said observation.

6. Well not really. He could have only lost as few as a few seconds before performing the observation on the doctor (which as far as I can tell was either while he was dead or dying). You basically black out as soon as you come in the door. You can assume that after you came in, Dan did a short search found the dead/dying doctor and then began the observation.

The only other potential lost time is when you find yourself in the alley and make your way down and end up in a VR suite. So the thing there is you are unsure WHEN you entered the VR. You may not have lost any time during this sequence as your random jumps could just be part of the VR program. I don't really remember the events here very well so I may be wrong.

I don't really remember any other times you ended up somewhere else after observation. I'm pretty sure the doctor is the only one and that was not remembering starting the observation. You are still in the same apartment when the jump starts/ends.


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