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Firstly... none of the other characters ever excuse his awful behavior. They don't try to say, "Oh, but he really does care about you" ... which is really refreshing because there's routes like this in other games where the awful boyfriend's behavior is excused at every turn, by the other characters. Enju did have people who supported her here, and wanted to get her away from him, even if she made a choice to return to him at the end. Is it love? not really. Though she also decides (IMHO at least) that she'll try to support him and be there for him in spite of it, though it may be pity.
Next. For the ending.. she gets a job, but she can return home to visit with her friends when she wants, and her dad is dead, but everyone else is alive. In Hanzo's route she can never return home cause she's supposed to be dead. Her friends can visit sometimes.. but that's still not great. In Gekkumaru and Chojiro's routes, everyone else is dead. The only other route where she gets to keep her friends, and her love is Goemon's and he's a fugitive, so it's still going to be hard for her to visit home.
I played his route 2nd though. I think it's suggested as last not because it's a 'happy' route or whatever, but because you finally get the last pieces of the puzzle concerning the main plot.
Replay Hanzo or switch games to get the bad taste out of your mouth. xD But I wouldn't play Kuroyuki last, and he's well done for what he is IMHO. He's not my fave, but I don't hate him, like say, Toma from Amnesia Memories.
I didn't see comments about suggesting him as a happy route, I've read Kuroyuki's route is dark so I would never expect cheerful moments like we have with Goemon.
I chose him as my last route, because I was really interested to know what he has been doing for 8 years, his past and I think his facial expressions and acting is the best among all of them (his tones always change from being cheerful, mischievous, desperate,sarcastic mad and serious) - thought I am not a fan of his character design.
If I think in this was, his route wasn't disappointing, but as a love interest I think Enju x Kuroyuki is a sick relationship, based on obsession that gave me a lot of goosebumps and didn't convinced me in the end.
Kuroyuki reminded me a certain route in Amnesia Toma's route, even though Kuroyuki is not as much yandere as Toma where MC, despite what she has suffered, forgive everything with a smile. .-.
Their love is not healthy because Kuroyuki forgot all his past, except Enju's memories, so its natural he feels obsessed for her and Enju is dependent of him because Kuroyuki made her believe he was the only one she could trust and rely on.
It's not love, but an abusive relationship, even other character (especially Kyara) pointed out this and how Enju changed for the worst by being weak, weep with a constant need of having Kuroyuki by her side.
That's....horrible and terrifying. So I completely agree with you and I don't know why people are so happy with his route. xD
I liked him in the beginning, but after Hideyoshi's murder it was a nightmare.
I felt pity for his past and present condition, also I liked he chose to let her go for her sake, but I don't think we can call love what we have seen in his route.
And I also liked that Kuroyuki will leave her alone, if she's with someone else? he's a great supporting character in everyone else's routes, and I like his bickering with his brother and such. But with Toma.. .. why did he have to spoil two other guy's routes ??? GTFO Toma. I hate you.
ahah you have a point!x°D
Now that I think about it, he never tried to kidnap her in other routes. He knew she was in love with another guy and she let her go for her happiness. Ok, that's heart breaking and I feel bad for having said bad thing about him xD, but I wish they managed differently Enju x Kuroyuki relationship.
I hated Toma too Kuroyuki is obsessive, but at least he never tried to kill her like Toma did and even if he tease Enju, he never tried to abuse her... on the other hand Toma almost raped Heroine in his route!! -.- If Heroine didn't talk about her diary he would have abused her. Damn it, I wanted to transform into Saitama to punch him!!!
Well, I mean, he still is a terrible boyfriend. Then again. with all he's been through I'm not sure how he'd be a good boyfriend. xP Poor kid. I think with time, he could grow to be a better person though. And in his good ending there's still Hanzo around to keep him in line. We know from how Hanzo acts that if Kuroyuki tries to manipulate her too much, or turn her into a wimp again, He'll step in. + She still has her friends! If his ending was like Gekkumaru's or Chojiro's where there was no one else left... it would have been the worst possible ending.
Toma has no excuses whatsoever for his actions. None. I wish Ukyo had been offing him repeatedly. >_> .. Well ending, best Toma ending.
To me, love is never black and white, it comes in all kind of form. (*listening to Dark paradise by Lana del rey for maximum drama effect*)
Keep in mind the fact Yuki already had some feelings for her before going mental. His obsession is a manifestation of what already been there.
Yuki is not old enough like Hanzo/Goemon/Chojiro, who had experienced life to give her advices. He is not innocent like Gekkamaru, in fact he is just as young as Enju, a teenager, who's trying to figure himself out just as much as Enju.
He was manipulated by Kando. Near the end, Yuki did say something like "You taugh me everything", "You turned me into this". This is where he learnt to achieve the things he wants, just like Kanzo, by manipulating people. Since he were isolated from his friends, Kanzo is pretty much the only influence on him.
As for Enju, I can't tell much, LOL,every route felt like a story about the men more than it's about her (so I'm just projecting my own feelings rather than reading on Enju's feelings).
On other routes, Enju is either wanting to die for the sake of Koga, or lovey dovey with the guys (except on Hanzo route, she really grew up there).
On Yuki's route, Enju's purpose is to live for him, to be his support even when he fell from grace; to save him from himself. I don't really know what else she is suppose to do, to make her less "weak" because what Yuki pretty much needed right now is just love, for what he was, is, and will be. Does she need to beat the crap out of him? Does she need to leave him? Does she need to kill him?
The entire route is the battle of Yuki between himself, struggle between his selfishness and selflessness, letting go of his insecurities, his sorrow, to acknowlegde that he too can change for the better, knowing all is not lost, because his last remnant of happiness - Enju - will help him. Everytime he looks at the ground because he forgot his past, everytime he hesitates to say something, and when he gots angry because Enju helped him escape from Hanzo, it's a silent battle right there, like a part of him wanting to give up because of how broken he is, while the other part still cling onto the hope that he can be human again thus insisting on taking Enju for himself.
In time, I belive he will be just as kind as Enju. He lost his memories, not his personality. He loved Enju because he remembers her, he loved his brother because he remembers him. (he helped Gekka on Gekka's route)
Edited for better wording.
Following my ultimate recommendation:
Chojiro(bad ending) > Goemon(good ending) > Hanzo(good ending) > Gekkamaru(good ending) > Kuroyuki(bad ending)
I loved Kuroyuki's route for pretty much the same reasons people hate it for.
Abusive relationship?
I happily welcome the change after Chojiro, Goemon, Hanzo and Gekkamaru having healthy ones.
Dependent MC?
I again welcome the change after all the other routes where she could be loyal, stubborn, strong and caring.
However, my biggest selling point on Kuroyuki's route is that even after 4 playthrough, it still managed to surprise me. To me, that's the most wonderful feeling I can ever have, whether it's in a positive or negative way.
It's worth noting that I didn't start his route expecting heavy romance. It was my last playthrough, and I had my fill of good moments with the other boys, so I wanted to see if his story could pull off something interesting after seeing all the other plots, and it succeeded.
As for the character itself, he's a pretty nasty one with many flaws, but that's what makes him so very interesting, and to me, that's all I care. Anything that keeps me from being bored will have my praise.
That's right! that'd be the only reason i would suggest for playing him last. It'd be kinda odd to know that last bit of the story right from the beginning. I wasn't expecting that at all so it was a surprising turn of events.
As for the rest of the replies, thank you so much for taking the time to reply! i really appreciate it. It's nice to hear from other points of views and that i wasn't that far from the general idea. If you head over to the thread i mention in my first post, there's some literally saying they loved him and that it was a happy route... i was like.. wait what? XD
I can understand how it could be "interesting" to play seeing that the story is completely different from the rest (at least the vibe and feeling).. but for my personal enjoyment, i can't find that interesting. I can't enjoy seeing the main character go through that type of manipulation... even up to the very end.
I also love how his route is probably the most unique out of the five, giving us plenty of juicy backstory on Kuroyuki himself, resolution on the bigger plot branch, ample use of cool ninjutsu techniques, as well as the most satisfying ensemble of side characters. I absolutely adore how the entire Scooby Gang of ninjas teams up in his route. The interactions between the Koga ninjas, Hanzo, and Goemon are all precious, almost worthy of being a true ending. (Hanzo also acted quite a bit like a father figure...cute.)
The main flaw of his route has already been stated--Enju and Kuroyuki basically become codependent on each other, and the ending doesn't really resolve that in a super satisfying way. I did like how Enju regains her poise and resolve near the end of the route, intending to investigate the mastermind. However, the pacing starts becoming uneven and rushed as the route draws to a close, to the point where the bad ending gives more closure than the good ending IMO. The good ending is "good" only because it allows the reader to breathe a sigh of relief that "Enju and Kuroyuki can finally get therapy for their horrible traumatic experiences".
In general, Kuroyuki's route was definitely unique and fit its purpose, and the romance between these two traumatized teenagers was, uh, realistically cringey. It made me wish for a nonromantic true ending route where everyone becomes one big happy family and solves the mystery without any suffering LOL.
OMG, thankyou for putting my mind at peace, lol, I were bothered by the good ending as well, but I couldn't understand why it bothered me. Perhaps it was "too good to be true". Now I wanna know what will happen in the DLC after story, Enju better do her job saving him properly, or I'm gonna strangle her and take her place.
For maximum closure, the good ending should be significantly longer than the bad ending and offer resolution for most of the alive characters. In that respect, compare the endings of Kuroyuki's route to Hanzo's. Hanzo's bad ending ends at the perfect time, not too long and not too short. Then Hanzo's good ending goes farther to nicely resolve the Tokugawa shinobi "arc", plus it has a satisfying cute epilogue of quite decent length (it even had somewhat direct resolution for Koga village courtesy of Choujirou's in-person visit). In contrast, Kuroyuki's bad ending is extremely fitting for his route yes, but the good ending barely goes beyond where the bad ending stopped. That epilogue was way too rushed, with very unsatisfying third-person narration ("oh all the other characters forgave Kuroyuki"). You could tell the side characters got basically no resolution in Kuroyuki's good ending, despite having been so lively before.
But kuroyuki´s is NOT a happy route, I don´t know who said you that, but even the bad ending is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ sad ( didn´t had the guts to play it to so someone spoil it for me xD)
Luckily for me I played hanzo first and kuroyuki after
I had been a bit spoiled by Kuroyuki's route, I knew he had been the one to kill Toyotomi in his route, so I knew to expect stuff. Also, I could quite easily tell he was going to be a yandere. Gut instincts or something.
I'm the type who plays the routes of the guys who interest me the least FIRST. Choujiro was an accident, to be honest, but I'm glad I got it over with.
I'm not typically into Kuroyuki's type, but... I think it ended fine. I mean, he managed to let her go in the end. I haven't seen any other yandere types doing that in the games I've played. (Well, except maybe one.)
I can't really blame you for being left with a bitter aftertaste since you saved him for last...