Be warned new players.This game has FAKE PvP.

[XiaoJyun]

Edited:

The game is fun but be warned that in most of the rating (ranked) matches you are put in with only 4-6 players and 4-6 bots in the 5v5 gamemode.

This is likely due to developers wanting to lower queue times but it is not something you will like if you prefer lnoger queue times over EVERY game you play having bots in it.

Just a fair warning to anyone who is interested in PvP and a suggestion to developers to rethink this feature

cheers

[XiaoJyun]

I d also like to see some light shed on the subject from the developers...If you dont respond or delete this post, it will just go to show the state of the game, on the other hand, i hope that devs can comment on why they did this (other than shortening the queues which shouldnt be needed if it wasnt 5v5 as it is now...it seems like too much chaos this way anyway) and let us know if they plan to get rid of this horrendous ˝feature˝.

[Pragmatix]

Another topic of this kind and I will be forced to ban you on the forum.. We do not support spam and the same content wherever you want.

The answer I wrote here:

http://steamcommunity.com/id/emotion666/recommended/511800/

"Hello, the big request is not to spam the same messages in all fixed topics and creating topics. We do not make secrets from the fact that the bots complement the PVP game. This is due to insufficient player online, depending on the server and time of day. This means that if there are enough live players the server will not add bots.We do not consider this an optimal solution, but the big feedback from the players was received after the release. In the next update, we will change this mechanics, making the minimum number of players equal to 6, and not more than one bot in the team. Because the current gameplay and cards are not suitable for a very low number of players"

[XiaoJyun]

I only made this topic and a review on steam and I replied with my agreement in reply in threads that were made but didnt clarify exactly the situation

cheers

[Daniel]

Dude! What's so bad about the Bots? I would rather play with a couple Bots than waiting 10 Minutes in a queue to get normal Player. If this bothers you that much, then go and play other games.

[Pragmatix]

Originally posted by XiaoJyun:

I only made this topic and a review on steam and I replied with my agreement in reply in threads that were made but didnt clarify exactly the situation

cheers

Yes, and wrote in a lot of others. The context of your messages is the same everywhere. Why do this, while we are open to communication and answer most of the topics, messages or reviews :)

[XiaoJyun]

Originally posted by Daniel:

Dude! What's so bad about the Bots? I would rather play with a couple Bots than waiting 10 Minutes in a queue to get normal Player. If this bothers you that much, then go and play other games.

I wouldnt bother if i didnt care about the game, i like this game, it has potential, but major issues like this need to be spoken about, if you like bots, all other gamemodes offer you gameplay against bots. You can paly most of them alone or with other people. But we cannot play PvP without bots.

To each his own, i guess you could simply go paly practice if you want to play with bots, similarly, there could be an option to tick if you are willing to play with bots to lower your queue...but i dont...I am willing to wait 10 minutes (but honeslty considering i get a 3v3 in less than 10 seconds on my server, it shouldnt be ap roblem to get a 5v5 in less than 2 minutes).

[Daniel]

Originally posted by XiaoJyun:

Originally posted by Daniel:

Dude! What's so bad about the Bots? I would rather play with a couple Bots than waiting 10 Minutes in a queue to get normal Player. If this bothers you that much, then go and play other games.

I wouldnt bother if i didnt care about the game, i like this game, it has potential, but major issues like this need to be spoken about, if you like bots, all other gamemodes offer you gameplay against bots. You can paly most of them alone or with other people. But we cannot play PvP without bots.

To each his own, i guess you could simply go paly practice if you want to play with bots, similarly, there could be an option to tick if you are willing to play with bots to lower your queue...but i dont...I am willing to wait 10 minutes (but honeslty considering i get a 3v3 in less than 10 seconds on my server, it shouldnt be ap roblem to get a 5v5 in less than 2 minutes).

It is hard to get 10 People with similar rating points.

[XiaoJyun]

Originally posted by Pragmatix:

Originally posted by XiaoJyun:

I only made this topic and a review on steam and I replied with my agreement in reply in threads that were made but didnt clarify exactly the situation

cheers

Yes, and wrote in a lot of others. The context of your messages is the same everywhere. Why do this, while we are open to communication and answer most of the topics, messages or reviews :)

Indeed, i didnt expect such fast replies and want this to be known. I was also a bit frustrated after several matches being carried by the bots where it didnt matter much what me, my teammate or 2 enemy players did.

Theres also very little option to improve or to see what went wrong with these bot games....I play online games with a reason: to play with other players. To compete. In last 10 games i did great while my teammates and opponents were average. I ended up losing 7 games and having 2 draws and 1 win. Most of this was attributed to bots, majority of the games i was getting aimbotted from outside of screen with arnold bot, other times the bot takes a ball and keeps moving frantically in random directions to the point you cant follow him and you would rather jsut have the ball.

As said i love most of the game, i understand it has some issues and balance issues, its also p2w/grindy to an extent, but overall its fun....but its no fun that i dont get to play it with other people especially since many ARE online. Many people actually make 3-man groups simply to play at least 3v3 and not be put in 2v2 that matchmaker almost laways puts us

[XiaoJyun]

Originally posted by Daniel:

Originally posted by XiaoJyun:

I wouldnt bother if i didnt care about the game, i like this game, it has potential, but major issues like this need to be spoken about, if you like bots, all other gamemodes offer you gameplay against bots. You can paly most of them alone or with other people. But we cannot play PvP without bots.

To each his own, i guess you could simply go paly practice if you want to play with bots, similarly, there could be an option to tick if you are willing to play with bots to lower your queue...but i dont...I am willing to wait 10 minutes (but honeslty considering i get a 3v3 in less than 10 seconds on my server, it shouldnt be ap roblem to get a 5v5 in less than 2 minutes).

It is hard to get 10 People with similar rating points.

it is not that hard to balance 2 teams fairly though

each team can have 1 with 10k, 2 palyers with 5k and 2 with 2k...
Thats how most games work, you add up the rating of each player in team to get power rating, at least thats the basic way

besides, I played against a guy who was 7th on ladder with 11k points while I am below 500 rating.....so its not a very good excuse if i get an instant match against this guy 3 games in a row....and yet I didnt care too mcuh, I got some rating points even if we lsot...it was more bothersome that the game also put arnold bot in with 100% accuracy shooting me from outside the map and making my movements obsolete unless I was behind cover

I ve played a pvp game that had an average of 20 players online and the matches ended up being balanced.

Its really no excuse to say there arent enough players in a game withh 300 people average online, especially in a game where there is only 1 PvP choice....you dont even select a map or specific rules, you jsut click PvP....if a game cant find a match that wont be a stomp then theres a problem...

[Abomination713]

Originally posted by Daniel:

Dude! What's so bad about the Bots? I would rather play with a couple Bots than waiting 10 Minutes in a queue to get normal Player. If this bothers you that much, then go and play other games.

I've waited 5 minutes (quite a few times) just to get into a rating match so the bots aren't helping the time at all. I quit doing rating all together since I don't want to fight bots which just makes the wait time longer for others now. Others have stopped playing rating as well because of them too, not just me.

To make everyone happy, just give us a rating with bots and a rating without bots.

[Daniel]

Originally posted by Abomination713:

Originally posted by Daniel:

Dude! What's so bad about the Bots? I would rather play with a couple Bots than waiting 10 Minutes in a queue to get normal Player. If this bothers you that much, then go and play other games.

I've waited 5 minutes at a time just to get into a rating match so the bots aren't helping the time at all. I quit doing rating all together since I don't want to fight bots which just makes the wait time longer for others now. Others have stopped playing rating as well because of them too, not just me.

To make everyone happy, just give us a rating with bots and a rating without bots.

I've never waited longer than 2 Minutes and that's acceptable.

[XiaoJyun]

Originally posted by Abomination713:

Originally posted by Daniel:

Dude! What's so bad about the Bots? I would rather play with a couple Bots than waiting 10 Minutes in a queue to get normal Player. If this bothers you that much, then go and play other games.

I've waited 5 minutes (quite a few times) just to get into a rating match so the bots aren't helping the time at all. I quit doing rating all together since I don't want to fight bots which just makes the wait time longer for others now. Others have stopped playing rating as well because of them too, not just me.

To make everyone happy, just give us a rating with bots and a rating without bots.

Another problem is that because matchmaknig loves to make 2v2 games with 6 bots, more people make groups with no reason other than to guarantee at least a 3v3, similarly because theres never a 5v5 of players top tier players can abuse this system and be in group of 3 to completely destroy other players (had this happen to me a few times) on the other hand if it was pure 5v5, the 3 top tier palyers stacked could be given 2 lowest rating players in their team to compensate and give enemy team a chance...but currently when bad players get matched vs good ones...the bots jsut make it worse because they are high difficulty bots in both teams, so even the bots start wrecking you

and yeah I am sick opf getting aimbotted by arnold bots at 500 rating where palyer skill is incredibly low and none of us is good enough to shoot ofscreen yet especially not with 100% accuracy, it makes a fun game become frustrating