Gamebreaking bug?

[Senzai3]

I'm currently at the train part with the one. Done all the others, meaning companion is seeking to help someone and butler needs to see he's emotionaly invested.

The problem is; I interacted with the book before, got the "one is not pathetic" extra option.
Then afterwards changed robot to butler/companion and went back to One. Now, the problem is that the "one is not pathetic" option has been lost and interacting with the book again yields nothing..

Current game is unplayable for me atm.

Not too bothered currently as I got plenty of other games to enjoy, but yea, fix/solution? Even tried restarting the game, didn't help.

[Hypnoslave]

Yup! Just found this and fixed it last night. it happens if you use "One is not pathetic" on the book before reading it.

I'll have a patch for this checked in soon, but thankfully there is a work-around that you can use by editing the save file. I'll dig up the instructions and post again in 3 minutes

[Hypnoslave]

Ah, hacking this for you should be easier than I thought.

First, find your save file by checking the FAQ. on windows it's here:
C:\Users\John\AppData\LocalLow\Over The Moon\TheFallPart2Unbound\TheFallPart2SavedData.txt

Second, do a search for "HasUsedNotPathetic;"

delete that, including its semicolon. Reloading should give you your item back.

[Senzai3]

Very fast response, Color me impr-- scrath that. I am impressed.

Work-around worked around the issue. Problem solved. Thanks dude!

[Hypnoslave]

My pleasure :D

[Tmoney788]

I've also encountered this bug on the PS4 Version of the game.

Game is currently unplayable for me at the moment, which sucks because I really like the game and want to complete it.

[Hypnoslave]

oh that's bad news. I'm sorry to hear that Tmoney. I actually thought we addressed this in a PS4 patch, but if not, there won't be a fix coming for a while. Honestly, I'm not even sure what causes this damn thing. Once I find out, I can theoretically submit a patch, but it won't happen any time soon.

No dev ever wants to say this to anyone buuuuuutttttttt you might have to restart. I'm sorry. That sucks.

[Hypnoslave]

Do you guys remember how exactly you got yourself in this situation? I was sure that all of the save events are safe, but obviously I missed one. There's a specific point at which you leave the environment or quit the game where this happens.

If I find out where, I can theoretically put a patch that detects the broken save state and fixes it....

[WIStudent]

Same thing happend to me today on my second playthrough. Because I started it in the second save slot I was able to compare some values with my completed playthrough from save slot 1. First I noticed, that 'HasUsedNotPathetic;' wasn't even included in '2_SavedKeys', so I doubt that that is the cause of this issue.

The other thing I noticed was that on my first save slot, the SavedKeys Key contains the value 'DP_SA3_Reflection', then there are a bunch of other values and then the value 'DP_SA3_C_LevisJournal'

On my second save slot, the SavedKeys String ends with 'DP_SA3_C_LevisJournal' but does not contain 'DP_SA3_Reflection'. After checking a playthough on youtube, I figured out that you obtain the 'On is not Pathetic' item after the scene at the mirror (also it saves directly after that scene). If I recall correctly that mirror scene did not happen on my second playthrough. I am not really sure how I managed to to that, I think I switched to the buttler's or comanion's perspective quite early after the fight on the train roof. But because I was using this playthrough to finish some achievements, I might have also paused the game with ESC, opened the Steam overlay with Shift + Tab or tabbed out using Allt + Tab.

I uploaded my unedited save file to gist, maybe it will help you to analyse this issue further https://gist.github.com/WIStudent/b6d53feafe2e26b3eb95bab86fe5249b

[Hypnoslave]

OOOOOOOOOOOOoooooOOOO this is helpful! thank you for this!

I wonder. It should be litereally impossible to get LevisJournal added with Reflection being added, but I will check. I suppose it could be a bug.

Also holy cow is my save system ever insane. I've switched to reasonably organized json encoding for future projects.

[Tmoney788]

Originally posted by Hypnoslave:

oh that's bad news. I'm sorry to hear that Tmoney. I actually thought we addressed this in a PS4 patch, but if not, there won't be a fix coming for a while. Honestly, I'm not even sure what causes this damn thing. Once I find out, I can theoretically submit a patch, but it won't happen any time soon.

No dev ever wants to say this to anyone buuuuuutttttttt you might have to restart. I'm sorry. That sucks.

Well thanks for replying at least, I appreciate it.

[Hypnoslave]

eh. you're welcome :)

[Hypnoslave]

Man, this really is a tricky bugger. The game object that adds the inventory object to your inventory on load (I know, this is a crazy way of doing this) is actually called "HopDownTrigger." It's a trigger on the roof of the train that causes you to hop down into the cab, and plays out the puzzle introduction sequence. The code there is also fairly clean.


WIStudent's saved data is ALSO missing that entry - the HopDownTrigger entry... although they do have it for saved game 1.

Tmoney, I don't suppose that your playing in save slot 2?? I don't see how, but maaayybbee this is a save slot 2 issue??

[Hypnoslave]

TMoney, do you remember if you came to One first before helping the Companion? it's also thheeoretically possible that it has something to do with that.

both the HopDownTrigger and the Reflection object should have been saved at the same time, and neither exist. It's as if the final moment of that even simply failed to complete. but if that was the case, the game should have soft locked, because the code that sets the player back to idle state happens last.

very interesting.

[AmyDoseGaming]

Originally posted by Hypnoslave:

TMoney, do you remember if you came to One first before helping the Companion? it's also thheeoretically possible that it has something to do with that.

both the HopDownTrigger and the Reflection object should have been saved at the same time, and neither exist. It's as if the final moment of that even simply failed to complete. but if that was the case, the game should have soft locked, because the code that sets the player back to idle state happens last.

very interesting.

im also haviong this bug, I hopped down into the car, it walked me over to the mirror after the line "i am that?" it went to the objectives screen. I looked up a playthrough on youtube and noticed something odd.

after going to the objectives screen thers supose to be a diolog about the one being awesome, but that never happened for me. i tried reloading the save but it checkpointed me at the next sceen where arid is struggleing with the virus.

I literaly cant continue because i cant use the "the ones not patetic" option cause it never appeared for me.


I realy dont want to have to replay the whole game over again and i realy dont want to have to go for a refund so if you could please fix this that be super

[AmyDoseGaming]

Originally posted by Hypnoslave:

TMoney, do you remember if you came to One first before helping the Companion? it's also thheeoretically possible that it has something to do with that.

both the HopDownTrigger and the Reflection object should have been saved at the same time, and neither exist. It's as if the final moment of that even simply failed to complete. but if that was the case, the game should have soft locked, because the code that sets the player back to idle state happens last.

very interesting.

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