Will there be a GoG-release of this game?

[The Epitaph]

Title says it all.
Would like to play this game very much and support the dev. But I'd rather not support steam.
So, how about it? What are the chances?

[Pio]

It will be surely strange but I have to answer this in spoiler.

I don't think so since the game has different steam-specific elements. You'll understand what I am talking about after around 10 minutes with the game.

[triple_agent]

Steam is a modern day city of Rome in the gaming world and English the lingua franca, at least among these parts of the Internet, so in the end, either you know stuff or not.

[Ryan Dorkoski]

Originally posted by Triple_Agent_AAA:

Steam is a modern day city of Rome in the gaming world and English the lingua franca, at least among these parts of the Internet, so in the end, either you know stuff or not.

+1. I find it odd to not support Steam for too many reasons to count. GoG is a burden for many devs anyways (and even more so to indie devs). A light layer of DRM is fine with me in trade for autoupdates, consolidating discussions, and keeping everything in one place. This small tradeoff pays dividends to active gamers. And more on-point to the OP - if you really don't want to support Steam, you really shouldn't be investing in your profile level, or frankly, be here to begin with.

Anyways the first reply is the answer.

[triple_agent]

Frankly, I use Steam only for the forums currently. Mostly do I prefer DRM-free releases, speaking of commercial offers, but do I get them also elsewhere than the GoG. Steam does whatsoever offer DRM-free releases among else, but it is nowhere announced that a thing is DRM-free here, neither does the Steam provide an option to warp a purchase without the DRM system or an account set, such as HumbleStore and perhaps GoG do. But I see the reason behind why is Steam the way it is and I can possibly recognize Steam references in a game when met. You do not have to listen to Madonna to be able to tell who is Madonna, right?

Steam is not a bad thing, y'know, I am just a dude who always has to make problems.

[Ryan Dorkoski]

Originally posted by Triple_Agent_AAA:

Frankly, I use Steam only for the forums currently. Mostly do I prefer DRM-free releases, speaking of commercial offers, but I get them also elsewhere than the GoG. Steam does whatsoever offer DRM-free releases among else, but it is nowhere announced that a thing is DRM-free - meaning, it can be cut and pasted away of native folders, running fine elsewhere - neither does the Steam provide an option to warp a purchase without the DRM system or an account set, such as HumbleStore and perhaps GoG do. But I see the reason behind why Steam is how it is and I can possibly recognize Steam references in a game. You do not have to listen to Madonna to be able to tell who is Madonna, right?

Just for clarity for the OP - there are more than simply Steam references in this game. It goes deeper than that with Steam functionality. You'd lose some interesting bits if not playing this particular title on Steam.

[triple_agent]

It is about an entire Steam decorum, parts of environments either you familiarize with or that you are an alien towards. You have bits of it in Pony Island. It is true such design suggests to play the game on Steam and one looses a lot of immersion going with it elsewhere.

[The Epitaph]

Originally posted by Ryan Dorkoski:

Originally posted by Triple_Agent_AAA:

Steam is a modern day city of Rome in the gaming world and English the lingua franca, at least among these parts of the Internet, so in the end, either you know stuff or not.

+1. I find it odd to not support Steam for too many reasons to count. GoG is a burden for many devs anyways (and even more so to indie devs). A light layer of DRM is fine with me in trade for autoupdates, consolidating discussions, and keeping everything in one place. This small tradeoff pays dividends to active gamers. And more on-point to the OP - if you really don't want to support Steam, you really shouldn't be investing in your profile level, or frankly, be here to begin with.

Anyways the first reply is the answer.

It's almost as if people grow and change their behaviour through time, instead of being an inert dead mass, set in it's track once to never reevaluate it's choices and habits.

In essence, I can't undo what I allready invested, without significally hurting myself, but I can curtail further support.

And the biggest reason to do this is not the DRM, but the near-monopoly of steam as a storefront, while the market only opperates on a poor facsimile of a healthy market, where storefronts resell steamkeys, instead of copys of a game, to suggest a variety of "supplier-options".
All those benefits you mentioned can be achieved on a voluntary basis aswell. I don't need to sign away my digital ownership rights to have my games up-to-date.
And neither do I need steam to get and support indiegames with platforms like itch.io and other ACTUAL healthy communitys of accumululated creative power.

So to pick up something the other dude, Tripple_Agent, said; Steam in it's current dominant marketposition IS a bad thing. Just like Google in it's current form IS a bad thing, because it is too much centralized power. Power that is easy to be corrupted or used in a corruptive manner. One change in leadership away.

If you can't see that, I won't need to try to convince you anyhow.

On a sidenote: Interesting how I as a consumer need to worry about the wellbeing of the producer, i.e. GoG being a slower way to distribute patches (for now), while the producer is allowed to defecate on my needs and their moral obligation to deliver a finished working product. Real nice slave-thought there.

Thanks for the answers on my question though.

edit: some spelling and added words

[triple_agent]

Do not get too ideological dude, follow your intuition. Life is more than words can tell. You know that saying about chaos, happiness and a dancing star? Who cares.

EDIT:

On a footnote, there are major issues in DRM-free games getting their updates, oftentimes. First, you need to reinstall all the stuff. Second, developers are forgetful.

[Ryan Dorkoski]

Fair enough. I get your angle, I just don't feel as strongly as you do. You see 'evil empire', and I see the best thing that's ever happened to both PC gamers and devs. It could be much worse. It was much worse. I spend about half of my time on Steam, and the other half on Itch, which is probably the smallest guy in the game. I appreciate both for what they are and what they offer.

[The Epitaph]

Triple, you high mydude?

[triple_agent]

You think reason is biological?

I say it is neither biological nor spiritual. It comes from where everything does come from.

From the absurd, you see.

[The Epitaph]

the biggest issue drm-free games have with getting their updates, is, that it was handled by 3rd-partys like magazines in the old days
While the biggest alternative, GoG, has an ape leading their website-devision. The rework of their reviewsystem took how long? 2 years?
They just have issues streamlineing the process, just like steam had in it's early days. Where people actually didn't grow up with steam as the be-all-end-all platform. People tend to forget that.
It wasn't allways like this.
It's a process and it takes time. So you have to endure some bad times until it can get better or rather different from now. How it's gonna turn out is to be seen. But doing nothing will change nothing.

That's simply a fact of life.

On a sidenote:

Good to not have a thread devolve into ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ instantly, though.
I spend too much time on EA-title community-hubs, I think

[Ryan Dorkoski]

Originally posted by The Epitaph:

the biggest issue drm-free games have with getting their updates, is, that it was handled by 3rd-partys like magazines in the old days
While the biggest alternative, GoG, has an ape leading their website-devision. The rework of their reviewsystem took how long? 2 years?
They just have issues streamlineing the process, just like steam had in it's early days. Where people actually didn't grow up with steam as the be-all-end-all platform. People tend to forget that.
It wasn't allways like this.
It's a process and it takes time. So you have to endure some bad times until it can get better or rather different from now. How it's gonna turn out is to be seen. But doing nothing will change nothing.

That's simply a fact of life.

GoG is like, what, 10 years old? I mean it needs to get better faster - and I suspect what we have now is probably more-or-less what we are stuck with.

Again, I get it - you value DRM-free games more than I do. I used to totally rally behind the DRM-free concept, but as time goes on, I just see it becoming more and more outdated. The world isn't going that way.

[The Epitaph]

Originally posted by Ryan Dorkoski:

You see 'evil empire', and I see the best thing that's ever happened to both PC gamers and devs. It could be much worse.

I don't see an evil empire. What I see is the potential to turn into one.

Noone sets out to build an evil empire or a concentration camp. It allways starts with the good and beneficial. Until it doesn't anymore.

You could, for example, argue that steam was the single biggest reason why things like "assetflips" became a reality. Just like they shaped the whole market into a "salesculture" that minimized the importance of early adopters, leading to those being ♥♥♥♥♥♥ even worse than they allways have been. Because the devs now adapted to pre-order-programs and season-passing and DLC-nickel and dimeing, for continues reinvestment. Even if those reinvestments are made at a 25-50% discount. While early adopters basically totally turned into "suckers who will buy anything" if you invest into enough marketing.

Too much power centralized is allways a bad thing. Even if just for simple things like "human error".
Much more when there is economical gain involved.

But I think I'll stop now. This is becomeing too political now.

Just remember that no german voted for someone who would send their kids to the slaughter and gas millions of human beings. They voted for someone who said he could fix the economy and give them more workers rights.

On a sidenote: Do you ever wonder why we germans like to butt in Mr Hitler in so many of our conversations?

[Ryan Dorkoski]

Originally posted by The Epitaph:

Originally posted by Ryan Dorkoski:

You see 'evil empire', and I see the best thing that's ever happened to both PC gamers and devs. It could be much worse.

I don't see an evil empire. What I see is the potential to turn into one.

Noone sets out to build an evil empire or a concentration camp. It allways starts with the good and beneficial. Until it doesn't anymore.

You could, for example, argue that steam was the single biggest reason why things like "assetflips" became a reality. Just like they shaped the whole market into a "salesculture" that minimized the importance of early adopters, leading to those being ♥♥♥♥♥♥ even worse than they allways have been. Because the devs now adapted to pre-order-programs and season-passing and DLC-nickel and dimeing, for continues reinvestment. Even if those reinvestments are made at a 25-50% discount.

Too much power centralized is allways a bad thing. Even if just for simple things like "human error".
Much more when there is economical gain involved.

But I think I'll stop now. This is becomeing too political now.

Just remember that no german voted for someone who would send their kids to the slaughter and gas millions of human beings. They voted for someone who said he could fix the economy and give them more workers rights.

On a sidenote: Do you ever wonder why we germans like to but in Mr Hitler in so many of our conversations?

Well as soon as it turns in to the evil empire - I'm out too. I'm just not going to sweat that right now. No matter what the situation is, somebody is going to be on top. I'm just glad that I personally like how Valve/Steam is running things as opposed to some of the competitors. Best of luck fighting the good fight - I think we both said what we wanted to say. I gotta go play some games :D