How does it compare to NR2003?

[DrDeath_MD]

I keep seeing posts about iRacing but how does it compare to NR2003 against the AI? The AI 2003 are tough and race hard, draw cautions, drive for gaps, and spin with minimal collision.

[crazychris4124]

sucks

[WilhelmX666]

you can't compare them. NHE is bad, as bad or worse than Eutechnyx's garbage.
A fair comparison would be Dirt to Daytona VS NR2003. And still, NR2003 is the clear winner.

[pauldalton]

I love NR2003. I have only played this game a few hours and you need to run a few races before the AI adapt. I am finding that the AI will race you even harder than NR2003 and racing against them is very exciting.
I don't have enough time in the game to say it is better than NR2003 (NR2003 will be hard to best) but I can say my first impression is that it is the best NASCAR game with AI since NR2003

[NachoBroRyan]

Heat Evo has the 2016 rules and Nr2k3 doesn't.
Nr2k3 has much better physics
Nr2k3 lets you use the keyboard because you literally can't use the keyboard for anything in this game, not chatting, not setting things up in the menu or anything.
Nr2k3 has yellow flags online
Nr2k3 has mods and Heat won't any time soon
Nr2k3 doesn't make you jump through hoops to get your wheel working.

[Simulacra_53]

Originally posted by pauldalton:

I love NR2003. I have only played this game a few hours and you need to run a few races before the AI adapt. I am finding that the AI will race you even harder than NR2003 and racing against them is very exciting.
I don't have enough time in the game to say it is better than NR2003 (NR2003 will be hard to best) but I can say my first impression is that it is the best NASCAR game with AI since NR2003

How is the ffb?

[pauldalton]

I think the FFB is decent. I can feel when the car is losing traction. It does not seem as detailed as NR2003 to me using a Thrustmaster T300RS.

[Jon~San]

I race on CCR and man some setups will want to kill you

[Senior]

horribly cant even compare the 2 .. its amazing to think a sim made that long ago still hasnt been surpassed , other then iracing

[XShortestStrawX]

Originally posted by HammR25:

Nr2k3 has much better physics

It will never fail to blow my mind how a 14 year old game can have such superior physics. But really, it's because Papyrus developed simracing titles, and when EA took over the NASCAR rights, the NASCAR game market became strictly arcade and has remained that way to this day.

[xÐoþe]

I'm afraid nothing will ever compare to NR2003.

[Simulacra_53]

True - it is amazing that the only PC game apart from iRacing with a proper NASCAR experience is NR2003.

What is even more amazing is the fact that the VANILLA 2003 game is superior to most new NASCAR games, apart from graphics and sounds.

You can tweak Your wheel to perfection and the AI puts up a believable performance that can be tweaked according to skill and taste.

If they take N15 and put in the AI, physics and FFB from NR2003 they have a fine game.

DMR might just as well drop NHE and go back to the Eutechnyx engine and focus onthose areas for their next attempt - imho the NHE engine is not the way to go forward, not based on this experience.

NHE was actually more disappointing than NMS, it might be my biggest game disappointment of the decade.

[Elvis2]

True - it is amazing that the only PC game apart from iRacing with a proper NASCAR experience is NR2003.
And why is that? Same developer. Dave Kaemmer. Papyrus Design Group, Inc. was a computer game developer founded in 1987 by David Kaemmer and CEO Omar Khudari. Based in Watertown, MA, it is best known for its series of realistic sim racing games based on the NASCAR and IndyCar leagues, as well as the unique Grand Prix Legends. Papyrus was acquired by Sierra in 1995 and Omar Khudari left Papyrus soon after that. Dave Kaemmer left Papyrus in late 2002, just before the release of NASCAR Racing 2003 Season (NR2003).[citation needed]

On June 5, 2003, PWF announced that many of their members would be joining a new group called FIRST.

At the end of the first quarter of 2004, NR2003 was pulled from the shelves due to license expiration. This is when FIRST (later to become iRacing) started its acquisition of the NR2003 code from Vivendi Universal.

The Papyrus web site was shut down on April 5, 2004.

On May 28, 2004 Vivendi and Papyrus sold copyrights to FIRST.net, LLC and became the registered owner of the copyrights for NASCAR Racing 2003 Season.

I don't know if any of you remember GP Legends but it was way ahead of the hardware at the time and had a 6mo. learning curve. Based on 1967 F1. The NASCAR series speaks for itself.

When the original Nascar Heat came out, I thought it went "toe to toe" in overall game play to Papy's N3 ( not NR2K3) but lacked community support as well as online multiplayer

This was exactly the forum I was looking for before I "pulled the trigger" on this "game". I've done the iracing deal ( i was a beta tester for about a year) and got a discount but didn't think it was right to constantly pay to play. I was hoping NHE would be better.

[nomadrider]

Originally posted by Elvis2:

True - it is amazing that the only PC game apart from iRacing with a proper NASCAR experience is NR2003.
And why is that? Same developer. Dave Kaemmer. Papyrus Design Group, Inc. was a computer game developer founded in 1987 by David Kaemmer and CEO Omar Khudari. Based in Watertown, MA, it is best known for its series of realistic sim racing games based on the NASCAR and IndyCar leagues, as well as the unique Grand Prix Legends. Papyrus was acquired by Sierra in 1995 and Omar Khudari left Papyrus soon after that. Dave Kaemmer left Papyrus in late 2002, just before the release of NASCAR Racing 2003 Season (NR2003).[citation needed]

On June 5, 2003, PWF announced that many of their members would be joining a new group called FIRST.

At the end of the first quarter of 2004, NR2003 was pulled from the shelves due to license expiration. This is when FIRST (later to become iRacing) started its acquisition of the NR2003 code from Vivendi Universal.

The Papyrus web site was shut down on April 5, 2004.

On May 28, 2004 Vivendi and Papyrus sold copyrights to FIRST.net, LLC and became the registered owner of the copyrights for NASCAR Racing 2003 Season.

I don't know if any of you remember GP Legends but it was way ahead of the hardware at the time and had a 6mo. learning curve. Based on 1967 F1. The NASCAR series speaks for itself.

When the original Nascar Heat came out, I thought it went "toe to toe" in overall game play to Papy's N3 ( not NR2K3) but lacked community support as well as online multiplayer

This was exactly the forum I was looking for before I "pulled the trigger" on this "game". I've done the iracing deal ( i was a beta tester for about a year) and got a discount but didn't think it was right to constantly pay to play. I was hoping NHE would be better.

Pretty accurate. The death of Papyrus "Nascar Racing" series and the Nascar Heat series of old was forced due to EA Games getting the exclusive rights to Nascar games. EA in turn dumped 1 Pc Nascar game on us before pulling the plug on PC Nascar games. That steaming pile was Nascar Sim Racing. IIRC they didn't even bother to keep the servers open until the end of the season. But hey they did manage to kill the competition in the process. This was one of the finest examples of how exclusive licensing hurts consumers!

[nomadrider]

i-racing is built on the same Grand Prix Legends / Nascar 2003 code. Instead of selling us a $50 per year game they opted to go with thier more expensive subscription model. There is no good reason i-racing couldn't make a Nascar 2017 game for next season. Add back in all the features of Nascar 2003. Let the community provide the servers an decide what races we want to run. All those who want the hardcore i-racing experience would still have the subscription service to run with. Those of us wanting a more casual experience would have that in the Nascar only game. i-Racing would get money from both groups and everybody wins.

[flyer2359x]

Anybody that actually thinks ETX is better clearly forgot just how bad they really are (etx).