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Wasn't it implied in FNAF's 3, that the souls were trapped until Spring Trap eventually met his (possible) firey demise? I mean, it's entirely possible the souls were teathered to the suits or endo skeletons until their murderer was stopped.
I mean, really, if you already have animatronics that work, but might be really beat up, considering the technology they did use, I am willing to be it'd be cheaper long run, to just recycle the old units instead of scraping them and buying new ones.
Not so much a paradox, as it is a thought experiment. This is called the Ship of Theseus, by the way. It's only a paradox if you consider both the original, which can't be true logically.
Read those newspapers more carefully. They only say the animatronics stink. The masks are the only things that bleed blood and mucus specifically. It's my sincere belief that FNAF1 was only unsolved because people didn't see that the Masks were possessed, not the suits.
- The masks twitch in the later nights. Not the suits.
- The Masks are what are shown in the 'IT'S ME' hallucinations.
- The Masks are what bleed and ooze, not the suits.
- Phone Guy asks what is in all the empty heads back there the night he died.
- Golden Freddy doesn't attack you, just his mask does.
We assumed the suits were haunted. We assumed the kids are getting revenge on the night guards. We assumed the kids are in control of the animatronics. The only real proof of any of these assumptions are circular logic problems. If you take revenge off of the table, it opens so many more doors that can be explored for answers.
I can't blame anyone for these assumptions. If I only had FNAF1 to go off of, I would have drawn the same conclusion, as it is a much more dynamic story. Post FNAF1, however, the importance of masks only gets stronger and stronger.
I disagree here as well. The animatronics are malfunctioning, not out for blood. Note that the Toys attack before they are possessed, and the withereds don't. This implies that Phone Guy is right, the animatronics don't have a proper night mode. This also explains why he hits the nail on the head with each of the animatronics; Spring Trap will turn to follow noises he hears, The animatronics won't kill you wearing a Freddy mask, Foxy was always a bit twitchy but the light flashes resets him, and playing dead does make Freddy take longer, but doesn't stop him (As there is, indeed, a bare endoskeleton in the back in violation of the rules that needs a suit). Why doesn't it get stuffed with golden Freddy? Because Golden Freddy is in the safe room, which is boarded up at this time.
I think the same reason we see the phantom animatronics in FNAF3 is why we see the Nightmare animatronics in FNAF4; Phone Guy has the haunted masks in his basement/attic/closet in the proverbial box we can't open. Victim is haunted by the souls of the dead children from the first missing children incident. Phone guy is hinted to be his dad with the photo on the wall, while he states in FNAF2 to love the old characters, and foxy is his favorite. If this is the case, it would make sense that for Victim's birthday, he would bring out the old masks for the animatronics to wear, since it is a special occasion, only to lead to the Bite of '87.
Keep in mind, we have NEVER seen a child wearing a mask in this series that wasn't already dead. Fredbear and Friends on the TV screen is a tombstone, not an advertisement. That was the date of the first missing children's incident.
1: They don't see a dead corpse, they only see the animatronic bleeding blood and mucus from the eyes and mouth. If the corpse had the mask placed on it, not stuffed into the suit, the mask would still bleed from the sockets of the mask. Further, the only evidence the kids were ever in the suits at all is GIVE GIFTS, GIVE LIFE, and we only see the puppet put the masks on the children. The suits are riddled with gaps and spaces around the joints for bleeding, not just the face.
Every part of the animatronics bodies that are in view of the camera could twitch and shake, but Cawthon choose not to. While I agree that it would be easiest to just shake the head around, that doesn't mean it holds no significance, especially since the game constantly hammers in the points about the masks all through out.
2: You, specifically, didn't. However, it is by far the most common assertion in the fan lore of the games. The only one more common is Purple guy is the missing child killer, which I also believe to be wrong. I don't believe I know of anyone else on the boards that agrees with me on either of these points.
3: I... What? I'm pretty open minded to people's theories, but I think we need to establish some ground communication here. When you say 'the Foxy Child', I assume you mean we are the child that becomes Foxy? How do we have horrible memories of Fredbear's when we are dead? Do you mean the older brother who torments Victim? If that's the case, then... What original crew? If you agree that the teens are in fact teens, and not the possessed suits, then how do the original animatronics fit in at all? I assume you subscribe to the bite of '83/82 in this instance? Sorry, I need clarification.
I was contributing to the conversation, Steam abbreviated the quote with Cryptosporidium-137's opening post. I was disagreeing with his statement and adding to yours, I'm sorry for the confusion. I wasn't targeting you, that makes more sense with you asking when you ever said the kids were out for revenge.
The animatronics, with or without souls, kill people. Phone Guy clarifies this twice, and all his hypotheses of how to handle them work (At least to some extent). My go to case in point is Spring Trap himself; Spring Trap should have no reason to obey his programming, as his body IS the endoskeleton. Despite this, he can't move in the safe room, and he turns to follow sounds he hears, just like Phone Guy states he will. The Toy animatronics were possessed no earlier then Night 3 (Due to Phone Guy saying there is an investigation on Night 4), which means the first three nights of the toys doing their stuff makes no sense, if they have to be possessed to do so. The withereds aren't the classics; Cawthon shows he has the classic models, and chose not to use them. The withereds are free of possession, yet still hunt for night guards.
The kids are not in control of the suits. They never were. They are watching the animatronics kill people night after night, hoping for release. They get that release in the good ending of FNAF3. And how does Cawthon show that release? By the masks dropping to the ground, and the balloons floating away. Then we see the masks, yet again, with no lights inside of them. The kids don't possess the suits. The animatronics were fully capable of everything they do with out the children in them. Once they are possessed, the facial recognition software fails Because the children don't recognize their own faces. They stare at adults, because they can't do anything else.
Any way you slice it, there is nothing but proverbial mountains of evidence that the kids don't possess the suits themselves. They only possess the masks.
Now, on to Nightmares. The Nightmare animatronics may be 'Just Nightmares' but that doesn't really clarify much with a game that has ghosts within it. Now, I'm not saying that the kids are literally standing in the halls of this house, or that there are literal animatronics roaming about, but I don't think these are strictly fictional entities of a guilty child's mind. I think they are more akin to the ghost of Christmas future, Showing Victim the fate he has been prescribed and he's terrified to face head on.
But that's a WHOLE 'nother topic. :D Let's keep it to whether or not the Withereds and the Classics are the same animatronics to one degree or another.
With that being said, FNAF4 cut scene Mini-games.
Something to keep in mind when it comes to all four of these games are 'Framing Devices', which are literary devices used by authors to keep the audience in the right mind frame. Usually, they are used to emphasize particular themes and premises, but in the case of FNAF, they are used to focus the otherwise fluid and awkward imagery into specific interpretations.
Before night 1, we start in a room with nothing to interact with, but a door and pile of plushies. We are told that we are locked in, and that immediately elicits a response to look for tools to get out of the room. You can watch almost any let's play of FNAF4, the players do the exact same thing; they search the room. The framing device is the pile of plushies; These are my Friends. The message is pretty simple, Animatronics=kids. Nothing we haven't experienced in the previous games, but the inverse is true in this game specifically.
I don't believe that Victim is actually talking to any living children in this game at all, taking place shortly after FNAF2 closed. Cawthon actually tells us twice in the game the order of the game's chronology. First, all the games (Aside from FNAF1, but I'm pretty sure that he did a major rewrite of the games between FNAF1 and 2) feature a season predominately. FNAF2 is a summer job, FNAF3 is about spring animatronics, and FNAF4's title screen depicts the fall. Put them into seasonal order (With FNAF3, the clear end of the game's series, at the end of the cycle) and you get FNAF2, FNAF4, FNAF1 (as winter is the only season with no game associated with it) FNAF3. On the walk home, we also see 5 children who clearly reference different parts of the series. Spring Bonnie (FNAF3), Alive at Night (FNAF1), Laughing Teen (FNAF4, as he is the only one to reference things that occur in this game, and he is the only one to reappear in the game later), Toy Girl (FNAF2) and Balloon kid ("FNAF0" the pre-story of FNAF).
You pointed out that there are 5 missing children, but only 4 'teens'. I disagree, Golden Freddy is always in the back room. Fredbear is on the stage, but I'm only 50/50 on whether or not he is actually the possessed Golden Freddy. There are some clear arguments of whether or not they are the same animatronic (The hat being the biggest point of evidence), but I think purple is the symbolic color of Fazbear ENT., and the purple being a mark of ownership separating it from being prior to the puppet's murder.
But this gets us into the '87/'83 debate.
1) Fredbear wasn't walking, but if the kids were the possessed suits; then they lifted the Victim into the jaws of Fredbear and they are walking. This ties to the motivations of the children, the birthday party, and the puppet is the missing child killer theory, but if I can't convince you that FNAF4 takes place in '87, I'm not going to start down that rabbit hole. :D
2) I'm pretty sure the Nightmares look like the classics, but I'm not an art major. I will agree that Nightmare and Withered Chica look similar (Chica's head is more 'round'), but we don't really have enough for Bonnie. Further, Freddy and Golden Freddy are much closer to the classics then the withereds. Neither Foxy is really distinct enough to really make a judgement call. In any case,
3) Victim DOES survive though... we play through 6 nights of game as Victim. We say good bye to the animatronics/teens/plushies. That doesn't make a whole lot of sense if Victim died the same day the bite occurs. Putting him back together doesn't make a whole mess of sense either if victim dies right afterward. The basic facts of the matter is we don't know how many days it takes for him to pass away; only long enough to get medical attention. Until Five Nights at Fazbear Intensive Care Unit comes out, we don't know anything about that for sure. Phone guy does say that it's amazing someone can live without their frontal lobe, but he doesn't say for how long. I trust Cawthon to be a writer and game developer, not a neurologist. Typically, in fiction, when someone gets a brain injury, it means one of three things: The lose their memories, they die or they are in a coma. I think Victim is in a coma for at least a while.
But.... I can't prove that. It just seems to be what makes the most sense.
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