Theory: Evidence Against Mike being Foxy Bro

[Rollerwings]

So by Scott's own word, now we know Mike did not become Springtrap. So who, if anyone, from the games was Mike before he worked at CBEaR, got scooped and became a purple guy? A few (including myself) think he was the crying child who had been "put back together" after his injury and grew to become an adult.

A more popular theory is that Mike was Foxy Bro grown up. If that's correct it would make for an incredibly tragic plot twist, with a brother tormented by his poor choices making the ultimate sacrifice to save the one sibling he could.

However, while typing something up on the FNaF reddit, a small detail struck me. In my mind at least, it pours a big bucket of ice-cold water on the Mike-as-Foxy-Bro possibility.

In the "walking to work" SL minigames, note what Mike's green-and-orange-shirted neighbors are doing: they're waving to him and smiling broadly. Even if this was probably exaggerated cartoon-style and it's doubtful they really stood on their lawns in a crowd waving to him each day like he was in a one-man ticker tape parade, clearly Mike was someone who is friendly and well-liked.

Would they be greeting Foxy Bro this way when it was common knowledge he had caused his brother's death? No way! He'd be a social pariah, "that kid" whose recklessness cost someone his life. They'd go out of their way to avoid him, ducking behind their houses if they saw him walking by. You've probably seen this on a smaller scale when you were young: there's that one kid who plays a bit rough, someone gets hurt and then everyone is told not to play with "that kid."

Thanks for reading and feel free to add your opinion.

TL;DR -- Mike is well-liked by everyone, since his neighbors always smile and wave when he walks by. They wouldn't greet Foxy Bro that way considering what he'd done, so Mike and Foxy Bro are probably NOT the same guy.

[WeltaChara]

I believe SL takes place before SL. If that's true, then that means it would be before his brother's death, thus people would still be friendly towards him. Also, the 83 kid died, meaning that he couldn't have been Mike.

[Rollerwings]

Thanks for the reply. If SL took place before FNaF4, though, it would make Mike even less likely to be Foxy Bro. For one thing, he wouldn't sacrifice everything to save his sister but then turn back into a jerk again and continually torment his kid brother and recklessly endanger him. For another, Foxy Bro in FNaF4 looks like a healthy teenage kid, not a purple guy like Mike was after SL.

I should've explained better, I do think the FNaF4 crying child died, but that per SenshiOfSadness's theory, he was "put back together," healed up as the FNaF4 main gameplay child in that house and then grew up to be Mike "Eggs" Afton.

[vark]

The neighbors might not have even seen Foxy Bro at all, or even heard of Foxy Bro at all.

[Bringin' Shreksy Back]

But hey, that's just a theory, A GAME THEORY!

[GhostMami]

Originally posted by ShadowLink64:

I believe SL takes place before SL. If that's true, then that means it would be before his brother's death, thus people would still be friendly towards him. Also, the 83 kid died, meaning that he couldn't have been Mike.

SL takes place before it's self thats a weird theory Shadow XD care to tell how it works

[Weshek]

Originally posted by GhostMami:

Originally posted by ShadowLink64:

I believe SL takes place before SL. If that's true, then that means it would be before his brother's death, thus people would still be friendly towards him. Also, the 83 kid died, meaning that he couldn't have been Mike.

SL takes place before it's self thats a weird theory Shadow XD care to tell how it works

He means that Sister Location (the game) took place before either CBEaR or CBPW.

[pokevanxd]

Originally posted by PsychoticSpade🎱:

But hey, that's just a theory, A GAME THEORY!

But it was confirmed

[Witt]

Originally posted by Jack:

Originally posted by PsychoticSpade🎱:

But hey, that's just a theory, A GAME THEORY!

But it was confirmed

Where?

[vark]

Originally posted by Coffy™:

Originally posted by Jack:

But it was confirmed

Where?

If he's talking about MatPat's Final FNaF theory, then kind of yes, Scott said that the theory wasn't 100% correct, but he got the major debates right.

[Witt]

Originally posted by Varklrai:

Originally posted by Coffy™:

Where?

If he's talking about MatPat's Final FNaF theory, then kind of yes, Scott said that the theory wasn't 100% correct, but he got the major debates right.

Scott didn't say which points were right.

[vark]

Originally posted by Coffy™:

Originally posted by Varklrai:

If he's talking about MatPat's Final FNaF theory, then kind of yes, Scott said that the theory wasn't 100% correct, but he got the major debates right.

Scott didn't say which points were right.

That's why I said that the theory wasn't 100% correct.

[pokevanxd]

Originally posted by Varklrai:

Originally posted by Coffy™:

Scott didn't say which points were right.

That's why I said that the theory wasn't 100% correct.

And Mike being Foxy's bro is a major point

[Sp4rt4n1295]

My argument against this is the fact that from the soaps that Mike watches, it seems like he is watching soaps that relate to his life in a way. The one he frequently watches seems to imply that his father (William) didn’t much care for him to the point where he refused to recognize him as his own son. We also know from the private room that William was monitoring his family through the use of, as MatPat calls him ”Psycho Friend Fredbear”. In FNaF 4, we know Fredbear has been telling the crying child horrible things about his brother: “He hates you”, or “He left you here”, etc.

If Mike were the crying child as you say, then why would Sister Location make it so clear that Mike is the son that William Afton that he clearly hates. He clearly doesn’t show much hatred for his youngest son, more so the willingness to guide his son away from the dangers that his older brother and the animatronics pose to him. Yet, he clearly shows disdain for his older son.

Feel free to disagree, this is just food for thought.

[Rollerwings]

It's confusing who William was targeting with the microphone in FNaF4. If William could see CC through the cameras, he was well aware the kid was left all alone everyday and was constantly crying his eyes out and being jumpscared and traumatized by Foxy Bro. No reasonable parent would not put an immediate end to that and get the kid some help for his trauma. But then again, no reasonable parent would build an animatronic with a claw to catch kids, so William ain't right in the first place.

The things PFF told CC definitely seem to be aimed at turning him against his older brother, but I'm not sure whether that was meant to target Foxy Bro as the bad guy or just meant to isolate CC and leave him without any allies. It effectively did both, because Foxy Bro's life no doubt was destroyed after the prank that injured/killed his brother.

It's odd that on one occasion, PFF tells CC he needs to leave the diner immediately, and then Foxy Bro is laying in wait to jumpscare him at home. That's confusing -- was William trying to lure CC home to get jumpscared, or was there really something scarier at the diner that made his brother's ambush look minor in comparison?

I kind of wonder if Foxy Bro wasn't really that bad to begin with, but as he saw his father mistreat CC, he just assumed that was normal and went along with it, even joining in. (The book A Child Called It is a gut-wrenching read but an extreme example of this.)

I definitely agree with you that the soap opera has strong relations to Mike's story. He's unmistakably his father's kid, both looking like him and acting like him, and yet his dad can't admit to the obvious until the end. Likewise, William rejected Mike at least until he needed him for something, namely saving his sister.

So, yeah, a lot of valid points in your argument and at any rate William isn't a stellar parent to any of his kids. If Mike is CC brought back to life, then Foxy Bro really got a bad deal out of that. He made what appeared to be a sincere apology, then witnessed what he thought was his brother's death, and it was his fault. Surely his story can't end there. Foxy Bro has sometimes been theorized to be the FNaF3 guard, who ultimately burns down the attraction that glorified his family's misfortune. Hmm...

[Sp4rt4n1295]

Originally posted by breadspy:

It's confusing who William was targeting with the microphone in FNaF4. If William could see CC through the cameras, he was well aware the kid was left all alone everyday and was constantly crying his eyes out and being jumpscared and traumatized by Foxy Bro. No reasonable parent would not put an immediate end to that and get the kid some help for his trauma. But then again, no reasonable parent would build an animatronic with a claw to catch kids, so William ain't right in the first place.

The things PFF told CC definitely seem to be aimed at turning him against his older brother, but I'm not sure whether that was meant to target Foxy Bro as the bad guy or just meant to isolate CC and leave him without any allies. It effectively did both, because Foxy Bro's life no doubt was destroyed after the prank that injured/killed his brother.

It's odd that on one occasion, PFF tells CC he needs to leave the diner immediately, and then Foxy Bro is laying in wait to jumpscare him at home. That's confusing -- was William trying to lure CC home to get jumpscared, or was there really something scarier at the diner that made his brother's ambush look minor in comparison?

I kind of wonder if Foxy Bro wasn't really that bad to begin with, but as he saw his father mistreat CC, he just assumed that was normal and went along with it, even joining in. (The book A Child Called It is a gut-wrenching read but an extreme example of this.)

I definitely agree with you that the soap opera has strong relations to Mike's story. He's unmistakably his father's kid, both looking like him and acting like him, and yet his dad can't admit to the obvious until the end. Likewise, William rejected Mike at least until he needed him for something, namely saving his sister.

So, yeah, a lot of valid points in your argument and at any rate William isn't a stellar parent to any of his kids. If Mike is CC brought back to life, then Foxy Bro really got a bad deal out of that. He made what appeared to be a sincere apology, then witnessed what he thought was his brother's death, and it was his fault. Surely his story can't end there. Foxy Bro has sometimes been theorized to be the FNaF3 guard, who ultimately burns down the attraction that glorified his family's misfortune. Hmm...

I still say Mike is Foxy Bro; it just makes too much sense to me, plus it works better for the story to be him that pretty much kickstarted everything that happens at Freddy’s and has to be the one to stop it, hence why he keeps coming back, as Fritz Smith, Mike Schmidt, and as the FNaF 3 guard. As for who I think crying child becomes, some will say Golden Freddy, but I think he becomes Shadow Freddy, hence the arrival of Nightmare on night 7, the night after CC dies. Nightmare is, for all intents and purposes, SF.