Were the Funtime animatronics really possessed or just sentient AI?

[whitedwarf95]

This question has been buzzing around inside my head for a while now and after reading various Reddit posts and watching Game Theory videos, my conclusion is that the Funtime animatronics are sentient AI.

Here is my reasoning:

In the last three games FNAF 1, 2 and 3, we were up against possessed AI, given their behaviour and the various clues left behind in newspaper clippings and 8-bit cut scenes which pointed to that conclusion which is now a common belief among FNAF fans.

FNAF 4 is different with the Nightmares being the crying child twisted interpretations of his bullies having being born in his subconscious resulting from the trauma he suffered in the bite of 1983.

Yet the Funtimes stand out from the rest, especially Circus Baby.
Firstly they are capable of speech and some of the things they say would not be part of their basic programing.

Ballora: "Is someone there...I can hear someone creeping through my room...perhaps not..."

Baby "I do not recognise you, you are new, I learnt how to pretend, I am broken I cannot be fixed...destroy this body."

This wouldn't be programed into a child entertaining animatronic, unless they had become possessed and those possessing them were using their voice boxes to form their own words.

However that doesn't appear to be the case, not with Circus Baby.

On Night 3 when you do go and speak to Circus Baby, she tells you about the time when she was on stage and how she could always count the children present, not to mention what happened when there was just one.

If she was possessed wouldn't it not make sense for the daughter of William Afton to be describing how she was killed by an animatronic which her father made in her image and how she is now trapped inside of it.
We know that Baby's eyes were previously blue before changing to green when she killed the girl.
Instead the events are told from a different perspective that being Baby's, she is the centre of the story not the girl she killed, thus putting Baby in the driving seat.

We know from the blueprints that the Funtimes were given 'special software' to track, distract, voice manipulation and storage tanks to capture children...and we know that William Afton is their creator and the one who murdered eleven children from the previous games.

On night 5 when Circus Baby, Ballora, Funtimes Foxy, Freddy and Bonbon all combine their endoskeletons to form Ennard, they talk (in Baby's voice) about how they wish to be free of their imprisonment.

The question is who or what is driving this desire for freedom?

1) Are they possessed and the children who are in control wish to leave their captivity and are using the animatronics and you the player as a means for escape?

2) Or has the killing of innocent children given them the means to become sentient, develop feelings/ form their own opinions and they wish to leave their hellish occupation behind and start a new life elsewhere.

My opinion is more in line with the second one, they come across as their own person with Baby identifying herself as Circus Baby not the child who was killed by her.

However I could be wrong, this is FNAF after all.

What do you all think?

[Witt]

Originally posted by whitedwarf95:

This question has been buzzing around inside my head for a while now and after reading various Reddit posts and watching Game Theory videos, my conclusion is that the Funtime animatronics are sentient AI.

Here is my reasoning:

In the last three games FNAF 1, 2 and 3, we were up against possessed AI, given their behaviour and the various clues left behind in newspaper clippings and 8-bit cut scenes which pointed to that conclusion which is now a common belief among FNAF fans.

FNAF 4 is different with the Nightmares being the crying child twisted interpretations of his bullies having being born in his subconscious resulting from the trauma he suffered in the bite of 1983.

Yet the Funtimes stand out from the rest, especially Circus Baby.
Firstly they are capable of speech and some of the things they say would not be part of their basic programing.

Ballora: "Is someone there...I can hear someone creeping through my room...perhaps not..."

Baby "I do not recognise you, you are new, I learnt how to pretend, I am broken I cannot be fixed...destroy this body."

This wouldn't be programed into a child entertaining animatronic, unless they had become possessed and those possessing them were using their voice boxes to form their own words.

However that doesn't appear to be the case, not with Circus Baby.

On Night 3 when you do go and speak to Circus Baby, she tells you about the time when she was on stage and how she could always count the children present, not to mention what happened when there was just one.

If she was possessed wouldn't it not make sense for the daughter of William Afton to be describing how she was killed by an animatronic which her father made in her image and how she is now trapped inside of it.
We know that Baby's eyes were previously blue before changing to green when she killed the girl.
Instead the events are told from a different perspective that being Baby's, she is the centre of the story not the girl she killed, thus putting Baby in the driving seat.

We know from the blueprints that the Funtimes were given 'special software' to track, distract, voice manipulation and storage tanks to capture children...and we know that William Afton is their creator and the one who murdered eleven children from the previous games.

On night 5 when Circus Baby, Ballora, Funtimes Foxy, Freddy and Bonbon all combine their endoskeletons to form Ennard, they talk (in Baby's voice) about how they wish to be free of their imprisonment.

The question is who or what is driving this desire for freedom?

1) Are they possessed and the children who are in control wish to leave their captivity and are using the animatronics and you the player as a means for escape?

2) Or has the killing of innocent children given them the means to become sentient, develop feelings/ form their own opinions and they wish to leave their hellish occupation behind and start a new life elsewhere.

My opinion is more in line with the second one, they come across as their own person with Baby identifying herself as Circus Baby not the child who was killed by her.

However I could be wrong, this is FNAF after all.

What do you all think?

AI

[Sp00ky_Matt]

This ones actually tuff, Baby did say that she sometimes hears the girl she killed. Which means that Baby is not possessed by the only person she killed (or she still could be possessed, and doing the "pretending" thing she talksbabout)

[Madame Bones]

ai

[Psyanide53]

I agree with you that the animatronics from Sister Location and FNAF 2 are most likely hostile, sentient AI.

And I know that the Twisted Ones novel and the Games take place in alternate universes, but with Springtrap's revelation that he is controlling the animatronics - it wouldn't surprise me if someone else were pulling their strings in the game as well.

I'm also 100% positive that the animatronics from the first game were possessed by the souls of long dead children looking for revenge.

Thanks for the post! <3

[pokevanxd]

Why would AI be programmed to say things like "I dont recognize you" or her whole backstory

she would never need to say that on stage.

[Sp00ky_Matt]

Originally posted by Pokevan8162:

Why would AI be programmed to say things like "I dont recognize you" or her whole backstory

she would never need to say that on stage.

Sentient- is a loose term that can define self aware

[Psyanide53]

Originally posted by Matt:

Originally posted by Pokevan8162:

Why would AI be programmed to say things like "I dont recognize you" or her whole backstory

she would never need to say that on stage.

Sentient- is a loose term that can define self aware

DAT MADE NO SENSE!

[whitedwarf95]

Here is how I see things in relation to those possessed and sentient:


FNAF 1 animatronics = Possessed by the 1st set of dead children from the 1st missing children's incident in 1983.

FNAF 2 Toy animatronics = Largely thought to be active sentient AI, however it is equally possible for them to be possessed by the 2nd set of dead children from the 2nd missing children in 1987.
(We also know that the Puppet is possessed by the child killed outside Fredbear's Family Diner.)


FNAF 3 Springtrap possessed by Michael Afton - possibly now sentient because of it.

FNAF 4 Nightmares are a mental creation resulting from immense trauma.

FNAFSL (5) Funtime animatronics sentient AI, possibly gained through the souls of the children they captured and killed.

One of things about FNAF is that you can never be fully sure of what's what, not all pieces fit together and there are equal theories to match.


I suppose my next big question would be where does Ennard go after Sister Location, if it and Springtrap are the last animatronics out there?

[Prince Virginer]

Allow me to debunk this

Just because fagpat says they are haunted doesn't mean they are, if I were to say they were, I would be lying to myself, only baby is haunted, the others are acting out of instinct due to their AI design.

[Psyanide53]

Originally posted by whitedwarf95:

Here is how I see things in relation to those possessed and sentient:


FNAF 1 animatronics = Possessed by the 1st set of dead children from the 1st missing children's incident in 1983.

FNAF 2 Toy animatronics = Largely thought to be active sentient AI, however it is equally possible for them to be possessed by the 2nd set of dead children from the 2nd missing children in 1987.
(We also know that the Puppet is possessed by the child killed outside Fredbear's Family Diner.)


FNAF 3 Springtrap possessed by Michael Afton - possibly now sentient because of it.

FNAF 4 Nightmares are a mental creation resulting from immense trauma.

FNAFSL (5) Funtime animatronics sentient AI, possibly gained through the souls of the children they captured and killed.

One of things about FNAF is that you can never be fully sure of what's what, not all pieces fit together and there are equal theories to match.


I suppose my next big question would be where does Ennard go after Sister Location, if it and Springtrap are the last animatronics out there?

There are always other animatronics out there... I feel it in my bones.

But I like what you have posted here, it's in line with my thinking! <3

[Micah]

Originally posted by whitedwarf95:

I suppose my next big question would be where does Ennard go after Sister Location, if it and Springtrap are the last animatronics out there?

Don't forget that Baby got ejected out from Ennard.

[whitedwarf95]

Originally posted by Micah:

Originally posted by whitedwarf95:

I suppose my next big question would be where does Ennard go after Sister Location, if it and Springtrap are the last animatronics out there?

Don't forget that Baby got ejected out from Ennard.

True, but is that cannon, seeing how it was part of the build up to FNAF 6 and Scott cancelled it?
If Scott is now working on FNAF 6 again with all the recent new teasers and the leaked freakish version of Circus Baby in the upcoming Freddy Files, then the backstory maybe different.

Still I like what you wrote, Baby was techincally the ringerleader and I wouldn't be surprised if the others got sick of her.

I wonder how they ejected her, did they rip out the parts of Ennard that were her or did they digitaly remove her?

[Rollerwings]

Great discussion topic! I don't think the SL animatronics are possessed, because it's never been proven they actually killed anyone other than Ice Cream Girl. (Besides, logically, how many kids could they have honestly captured before law enforcement caught on that kids are constantly disappearing from neighborhood birthday parties with the Afton crew as guests?)

I think their AI is so advanced that they're actually capable of independent thought. Baby even shows what comes eerily close to the emotion we'd call remorse when she recounts the story of ICG's death, and the technician's deaths. She sounds downright mournful when she talks about the dead technicians: "Something bad happened last night. Something bad always happens."

I do think Baby is possessed by ICG's spirit, however. Michael even says so himself: "I found her...she's at peace." He was undead several times over by the time he said that, so as a ghost himself he'd know one to see one. I doubt he willingly faced down the scooper just to save a sentient robot from torment; rather, he saved his sister's spirit and in the process, stopped the robots from being forced to victimize anyone else.

[Psyanide53]

Originally posted by breadspy:

Great discussion topic! I don't think the SL animatronics are possessed, because it's never been proven they actually killed anyone other than Ice Cream Girl. (Besides, logically, how many kids could they have honestly captured before law enforcement caught on that kids are constantly disappearing from neighborhood birthday parties with the Afton crew as guests?)

I think their AI is so advanced that they're actually capable of independent thought. Baby even shows what comes eerily close to the emotion we'd call remorse when she recounts the story of ICG's death, and the technician's deaths. She sounds downright mournful when she talks about the dead technicians: "Something bad happened last night. Something bad always happens."

I do think Baby is possessed by ICG's spirit, however. Michael even says so himself: "I found her...she's at peace." He was undead several times over by the time he said that, so as a ghost himself he'd know one to see one. I doubt he willingly faced down the scooper just to save a sentient robot from torment; rather, he saved his sister's spirit and in the process, stopped the robots from being forced to victimize anyone else.

I don't think that Baby is possessed, but I think the killing of the ice cream girl triggered an awareness in her A.I. that made her realize the grand scheme of her creation and purpose.

Remember how Baby said that she "Learned how to pretend" ? I think she is a master manipulator and that when she she said that she didn't recognize Michael - she lied. She instantly knew who he was and saw him as her meal ticket out of the prison she was in.

Baby wanted to be free and get out of the underground facility - so she lied repeatedly to Michael, and in some cases fed him half-truths to keep his trust, in order to manipulate him to what she wanted, got him scooped and then used his body to walk out of the establishment scott-free. And I agree with you that her A.I is scarily advanced to pull of the emotional recounting of the ICG's death & the tech's deaths.

Also remember the conversation that happened between scottgames website and the fnafworld websites? I don't think these conversations happened between spirits but A.I.

[pokevanxd]

Originally posted by Matt:

Originally posted by Pokevan8162:

Why would AI be programmed to say things like "I dont recognize you" or her whole backstory

she would never need to say that on stage.

Sentient- is a loose term that can define self aware

frick ur right