Mat Pat (not a hate thread, just disappointed at how much he fails at research)

[post apocalypse otter boi]

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/CriticalResearchFailure/GameTheoryWebShow

the more I read this, the more I think he is a poopy head. To think I used to believe his theories.

[Dragonwing Gamer]

Първоначално публикувано от Commissar penguin:

Also I don't know if you're just an overwatch fanboy or what but OW also has it's fair share of characters that aren't all that mobile. (roadhog and reinheart comes to mind)

Never played either OW or TF2, just pointed out a flaw with the argument.
Here's my ultimate view: MatPat makes a lot of mistakes. This is because he caters his videos to an audience that want to be entertained. So while his videos overall hold water, if only in their core concept, they don't always hold water because he will knowingly skip the finer details to keep it fun to watch. Is this the right way of doing it? Maybe not. But it's still his job (literally) to entertain. And a lot of people on the internet do the same thing. Including that very article. It uses blanket statements, opinions, and stretches points to make a conclusion. In other words it does the exact thing that you can accuse MatPat of.

[Dragonwing Gamer]

Първоначално публикувано от Commissar penguin:

Първоначално публикувано от Shadowlink25th (Xmas Edition):

I'm sure you mean well, but I can't take a person who says "poopy head" seriously.

hat's fine, this post wasn't meant to be taken too seriousxly.

Incidentally was that a reference to his watchdogs episode?

[post apocalypse otter boi]

Първоначално публикувано от Dragonwing Gamer:

Първоначално публикувано от Commissar penguin:

Also I don't know if you're just an overwatch fanboy or what but OW also has it's fair share of characters that aren't all that mobile. (roadhog and reinheart comes to mind)

Never played either OW or TF2, just pointed out a flaw with the argument.
Here's my ultimate view: MatPat makes a lot of mistakes. This is because he caters his videos to an audience that want to be entertained. So while his videos overall hold water, if only in their core concept, they don't always hold water because he will knowingly skip the finer details to keep it fun to watch. Is this the right way of doing it? Maybe not. But it's still his job (literally) to entertain. And a lot of people on the internet do the same thing. Including that very article. It uses blanket statements, opinions, and stretches points to make a conclusion. In other words it does the exact thing that you can accuse MatPat of.

True. I'll give you that. ANd sorry for being too agressive and calling you a fanboy.

[Ｇｉｇｓｕｋｉ浪人]

don't worry my communist friend, this isn't the only time he ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up

[H]

Първоначално публикувано от Commissar Penguin:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/CriticalResearchFailure/GameTheoryWebShow

the more I read this, the more I think he is a poopy head. To think I used to believe his theories.

mat pat does it all for the money
he didnt achieve anything in his life

[Dani]

Първоначално публикувано от Purple dude:

Първоначално публикувано от Commissar Penguin:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/CriticalResearchFailure/GameTheoryWebShow

the more I read this, the more I think he is a poopy head. To think I used to believe his theories.

mat pat does it all for the money
he didnt achieve anything in his life

OHHH ROASTED!

[Salvation_crucifix]

I actually like his theories.

Now, say what you will about the speculation itself, but the evidence that he gathers, from both the games and real life, always astounds me.

I've never played Earthbound, but I believed, and still believe, that Sans might be Ness.

In fact, the only reason I would say it's denied is not because of some stupid hardcore fans of Earthbound ranting: "WTF? Are you crazy? Sans is not Ness because I say he's not Ness! Stop trying to ruin my life!" but because "Toby Fox" (airquotes because Idk whether that's his official Twitter or a fakie) cursed the theory and MatPat himself out.

If you watch the theory, again, the evidence actually kinda makes sense, and putting the Earthbound Halloween Hack into play, also makes it fit together nicely.

MatPat even said during their playthrough of the hack that if you don't like something, don't watch it, or just agree to disagree, there is absolutely no reason why you need to tell someone to kill themselves just because they don't agree with your beliefs. (Unless you're Liberal or a SJW)

Guys, (and I'm saying this as a general thing) stop hating on MatPat and other people, the guy works his butt off researching ALL of this stuff for YOUR entertainment.

Don't like the theory or the research, don't watch, don't like, go watch something you enjoy and agree with, but don't start any wars and just generally be hateful of the YouTuber, that doesn't help things. :)

And always remember that ALL celebrities, YouTube and otherwise, are still human beings like us. They have feelings too, and no matter how the media portrays them, they're mortal, and can die at any moment, just like any other human being. (Though, clearly, the death of a celebrity by old age is apparently worth more attention than, I dunno, numerous young people killed by a bomb, or a gun, or suicide...need I go on?)

Sorry about the rant, OP. :P

[post apocalypse otter boi]

Първоначално публикувано от chrisbutler2765:

I actually like his theories.

Now, say what you will about the speculation itself, but the evidence that he gathers, from both the games and real life, always astounds me.

I've never played Earthbound, but I believed, and still believe, that Sans might be Ness.

In fact, the only reason I would say it's denied is not because of some stupid hardcore fans of Earthbound ranting: "WTF? Are you crazy? Sans is not Ness because I say he's not Ness! Stop trying to ruin my life!" but because "Toby Fox" (airquotes because Idk whether that's his official Twitter or a fakie) cursed the theory and MatPat himself out.

If you watch the theory, again, the evidence actually kinda makes sense, and putting the Earthbound Halloween Hack into play, also makes it fit together nicely.

MatPat even said during their playthrough of the hack that if you don't like something, don't watch it, or just agree to disagree, there is absolutely no reason why you need to tell someone to kill themselves just because they don't agree with your beliefs. (Unless you're Liberal or a SJW)

Guys, (and I'm saying this as a general thing) stop hating on MatPat and other people, the guy works his butt off researching ALL of this stuff for YOUR entertainment.

Don't like the theory or the research, don't watch, don't like, go watch something you enjoy and agree with, but don't start any wars and just generally be hateful of the YouTuber, that doesn't help things. :)

And always remember that ALL celebrities, YouTube and otherwise, are still human beings like us. They have feelings too, and no matter how the media portrays them, they're mortal, and can die at any moment, just like any other human being. (Though, clearly, the death of a celebrity by old age is apparently worth more attention than, I dunno, numerous young people killed by a bomb, or a gun, or suicide...need I go on?)

Sorry about the rant, OP. :P

I'll say it once and I'll say it again. I don't mind that he has his own theories but what is inexcusable is when he ignores stuff or does incorrect research. Like if he wants to claim that his theories are good, then he should do good research. He shouln't do stuff like claim Kali is a goddess of sex so it's okay for her to be sexualized or that just because she is traditionally protrayed as topless that it means she is sexualized. Kali isn't even a goddess of sexuality, and there are many cultures where breasts are not sexualized. He can't claim to have actually done research when he ignores cannon sources like the hyrule historia, and take non-cannon sources as facts like mario power tennus. Then there is the fact that he either makes ♥♥♥♥ up or else doesn't do a good enough job of researching to back up his claims like when he claimed that mario never thanked lugi at the end of mario is missing. The main issue I have with him is that he doesn't always get enough evidenve or heout right ignores evidence that disagrees with him. Something that you'd realize if you read my post. What you're saying about the whole don't like it, then don't watch it, is like saying I should allow false information to be spread. That is the wrong additude to have.

[post apocalypse otter boi]

here's an example

His theory on Metroid's Etecoons and Dachoras gets two major things wrong.
MatPat claims it's never explained how the BSL station got infected, however, at the beginning of the game it is stated that the X parasites that infected Samus's suit used a Power Bomb to break out of confinement and spread.
MatPat completely ignores that the ship's computer specifically confirms that the Etecoons and Dachoras aboard the ship are not X hosts.



which you can easily check for yourself if you don't trust tvtropes



or this one



In The TF2 Pyro...Male or Female?, MatPat uses the Pyro's finger length as evidence. However, the Pyro is wearing gloves that could have easily obscure the real finger portions. In addition, he claims the Pyro has schizophrenia because of the "Meet the Pyro" video, where he hallucinates he is in a Sugar Bowl. However in game, the Pyro only suffers from these hallucinations when wearing the Pyrovision Goggles, an item that any class can wear and has the same effect regardless.

[RippoMadness]

Първоначално публикувано от chrisbutler2765:

In fact, the only reason I would say it's denied is not because of some stupid hardcore fans of Earthbound ranting: "WTF? Are you crazy? Sans is not Ness because I say he's not Ness! Stop trying to ruin my life!" but because "Toby Fox" (airquotes because Idk whether that's his official Twitter or a fakie) cursed the theory and MatPat himself out.

It's denied because it doesn't make any sense. I'll grant you that there are a lot if things about the theory that appear to be "mind-blowing at first. But upon closer inspection, they really don't and can actually very easily be debunkable. For example, When Frisk is exploring Sans' lab, you find the photo album that have Sans with the three other people you don't recognize. According the MatPat's theory, this is supposedly the very photo album that the Camera Man made from all the photos taken. This is before Ness became Sans. However, this doesn't work because how can Frisk recognize Sans when he doesn't look remotely like Ness. That's not even mentioning how Ness could've survuved and became a skeleton after using the Phase Disorter. Theory simply doesn't work.

Първоначално публикувано от chrisbutler2765:

If you watch the theory, again, the evidence actually kinda makes sense, and putting the Earthbound Halloween Hack into play, also makes it fit together nicely.

It really doesn't, for the reasons that I have already explained.

Първоначално публикувано от chrisbutler2765:

MatPat even said during their playthrough of the hack that if you don't like something, don't watch it, or just agree to disagree, there is absolutely no reason why you need to tell someone to kill themselves just because they don't agree with your beliefs. (Unless you're Liberal or a SJW)

This is pretty much the reason I'm even responding to this comment. So you're saying that I can't criticize something that I find to be objectionable? You're saying I can't express my opinion to others, even if I'm being constructive about it? We can't discuss over this matter in the slightest because people can't deal with a disagreement? Because that's certainly how it sounds.

Първоначално публикувано от chrisbutler2765:

Guys, (and I'm saying this as a general thing) stop hating on MatPat and other people, the guy works his butt off researching ALL of this stuff for YOUR entertainment.

Which is the exact reason why I would criticize him in the first place. I want to see MatPat make great quality content for his channel. But if I find that he half-asses a video and ends up misrepresenting a game as a result, I'm going to call him out on it, because I expect better out of him.

Първоначално публикувано от chrisbutler2765:

Don't like the theory or the research, don't watch, don't like, go watch something you enjoy and agree with, but don't start any wars and just generally be hateful of the YouTuber, that doesn't help things. :)

I agree that senseless hate is never helpful to anyone. But if someone is sharing legitimate, constructive criticism against anyone for any reason, then they have the right to call them out for it. That's how you grow and improve. You may like what they have to say at times, but it's needed.

Първоначално публикувано от chrisbutler2765:

And always remember that ALL celebrities, YouTube and otherwise, are still human beings like us. They have feelings too, and no matter how the media portrays them, they're mortal, and can die at any moment, just like any other human being. (Though, clearly, the death of a celebrity by old age is apparently worth more attention than, I dunno, numerous young people killed by a bomb, or a gun, or suicide...need I go on?)

Very true. But again, that doesn't shield them from criticism. Getting flack from doing what you love sucks. It always does. But it should always be expected when you're as popular as someone like MatPat. You're never going to please everybody, that's a simple common fact of life.

[post apocalypse otter boi]

Just to rant some more but MatPat's pryo gender video is a prime example of how half assed his videos can get. He claims that females' ring and index fingers are of about the smae lengh. I can disprove that claim just by looking at my own hands. I'm a guy with a functioning penis yet my ring and index fingers happen to be the same lengh. then there is the fact that the pryo is wearing gloves, many of which has all fingers be the same lengh so even if his claim holds true, it still doesn't apply to someone wearing gloves.

[Pip]

Once on the Undertale forum someone made a thread exposing Matpat for paying people to give him the succ

[post apocalypse otter boi]

Първоначално публикувано от Captain Boomerang Jr.:

Once on the Undertale forum someone made a thread exposing Matpat for paying people to give him the succ

what? Ok that just sounds BS.

[amarii]

ye

[Pip]

Първоначално публикувано от Commissar penguin:

Първоначално публикувано от Captain Boomerang Jr.:

Once on the Undertale forum someone made a thread exposing Matpat for paying people to give him the succ

what? Ok that just sounds BS.

I know, but it was hilarious.

Matpat tries to make his theories seem valid, but each theory he makes just gets more and more ridiculous. He made a Pokemon Go theory. A literal Pokemon Go theory about how Team Mystic was destined to be the best from the start. It was just... stupid. The only reason Team Mystic would dominate everyone else would be because more people chose it.