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I agree the game is not where it should be, we should do better. I work every day (today i'm almost at 12hrs) to make it better.
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I can't really agree with it already being notably deeper than many other games I've played, though. I've yet to really see any deep interaction yet, though there are hints at more in-depth things to come, but when and how they will be implemented remains to be seen.
That being said, I bought the game fully expecting it to be VERY early in the development. Which it clearly is. Hell, one of the features I was most interested in (scalable spell effort) was disabled when I tried the game out. It's always a bit of a gamble to put money on indie studio, but the concept is too good to NOT throw some money at.
I think your opinion is naive. I feel scammed and honestly we should be warning people not sharing the koolaid.
They’ve even been open about what is not in the game and what needs to be worked on in its current state and have been listening to feedback about bugs.
In what way is that a scam when they are being that honest and open and active, as well as putting their faces out there, doing a bunch of dev logs and showing the entire process of development in videos?
I'm sorry you feel that way. We do try to be as open and transparent as possible and mentioned in our EA FAQs where we were in development and that many of the features are still to be added into the game. We are fully committed to delivering on our vision and I'd love to hear your thoughts on it again as we get further into development.
You're right, we've hit (and will continue to hit) bumps along the road, but as Edgin the Harper said: "We must never stop failing, because the minute we do, we've failed." Loosely put, with how ambitious and (hopefully) groundbreaking this will eventually become, we're bound to roll some nat 1s along the way, and the moment we stop rolling nat 1s is the moment we stop playing (aka quitting) the game.
And thanks @naciabell for sharing your honest feelings about the game! It means a lot to the whole team. People like you who see the game for both what it currently is, and what it could and eventually will be are the reason why we keep moving forward and pushing the boundaries. And for those who's expectations we are currently falling short for, we hope to one day meet and exceed those expectations as we keep on keeping on :)
they themselves have even said that they hope that they will get to that point and explain their entire thought process. Nothing about this game is a trick and they even tell you directly in the early access description exactly what is in the game and even went out of their way to tell you the difference between the demo and the early access version.
You’re the second person to try to say that the developers are trying to trick people or scam them, but they’re being extremely honest and open. When exactly did they trick anyone or make a false promise?
Do you want to say that in the trailers they imply that having kids will be part of the game but not that it’s DLC? I suppose but that’s not really miss leading anyone especially given if you had pre-ordered the game on their site before they moved here? They are straight up giving you the DLC for free with the family making and the expanded mage tower.
and they were open about that on there very own dev blog on their website, before the early access even launched.
So in what way is it a trick?
The trailer is a lie.
Key features:
Every life is intimate, unique, and memorable. Feel each playthrough deeply. - lie
Explore a true open world teeming with life, choice, and consequence - lie
Immerse yourself in a player-driven story that evolves based on your decisions -lie
Unleash dangerous spells that can have game-changing consequences - lie
Cast magic to overcome obstacles and explore challenging dungeons - Okay maybe? The dungeons are so bad
Procedural world generation featuring in-depth political, economic, and military simulations - lie
Experience a never-before-seen religion/spirituality/worship system - lie
It’s Your Story – Born with great potential, what will you do with it? Adventure, politic, research, grow in power, but one day you will die by natural causes, ending your story. See your impact on the world at your funeral. - lie
Gain in Power – Explore dungeons, discover artifacts of ancient power, visit arcane libraries all to gain skill in 5 distinct schools of magic. Customize you own spells through research. -mostly lie
Total Freedom – Make good, evil, or choices in between. Use your gold to fund an orphanage, or keep prisoners in your mage tower and let them rot. Use your power and influence to bring peace between warring nobles or to instigate a feud. Just like pen & paper, it's all up to you. - lie
As an open life simulator, the game allows the player and NPCs to participate in a vast range of human experiences both bad and good, including: slavery, murder, cannibalism, sexual activity (non-graphic), pregnancy, and religious worship. - lie
Approximately how long will this game be in Early Access?
“See our roadmap here: https://www.archmagerises.com/roadmap
Approximately 12 months. The game itself is engaging and playable with essential core features developed, but we have a much larger vision for the game that we'd like to build out. Once we've completed these (what we internally consider must have) features, we will move into our official 1.0 release. - x doubt
You can:
Meet and build relationships with various NPCs, shop keepers, etc - no you can't. You can flirt, compliment, insult, chat. Does nothing. I purposely borked a quest and the town leader hated me and told me to get out. Does nothing when I spend all day flirting till they love me. No change.
Hunt and eliminate monsters and vagabonds roaming the land - there is no hunting or roaming. You explore a tile or maybe get a random encounter
Explore and loot dungeons - sure but it's a terrible experience
Mine and sell resources - This is all we can do and it's not even fun. You just click explore and then click the resource
Take on and complete quests - There maybe a questline in there somewhere.
Progress your skills and become a powerful mage - How do you progress your skills. What makes you a powerful mage?
Want to become a merchant by buying/selling items to make a profit? You can do that? The shops were so dam empty and poor. I had a quest to buy something but they had no stock.
Want to become a thief, stealing from various stores and selling it in other towns for a profit? You can do that?
Want to become a notorious tyrant and burn down every village? You can do that too... How?
30$ and we can mine and do fetch quests. Not a scam? Maybe, but I sure as heck feel scammed.
OK first off you should probably actually check the dev logs on their YouTube channel. Second off, you should probably actually watch the beginners guide that you can get the link to just by clicking on it in the main menu that explains how to do things like steal, as there is currently not a tutorial yet .
Where once again, the developer goes into great details about the game and everything to expect inside it, and what is currently in it, and what they are working on while also explaining mechanics. And third no, the trailer is not a lie. The trailer showed off the steam demo. Not the early access build. And again, if you actually look it up, literally on the steam early access tag, they explain exactly what is in the game you literally just have to click read more.
You can’t exactly call something a scam when the honesty is standing right in your face, and the developers are constantly talking about it, openly and honestly. Not to mention the game is literally labeled as early access. Of course, all those things are not going to be in. Because what early access game does that from the very start? They make it very clear in their videos and the blog posts on their website exactly what is in the early access version.
And when they are very clearly telling you, what is in on there very own website, and in multiple videos, as well as the very store page, by simply clicking, read more on the early access text?
You cannot claim scam in any way, shape or form. Because scams are lies.
If you don’t believe me, look all of that up for yourself. It’s very easy to find.
You cannot argue with hard facts, and them literally saying it, and repeating it, in multiple locations, multiple times.
I don’t think you’re proving a point you think you are. You’re basically just trying to find any reason to bad talk the game when the developers have been extremely clear. They told you directly what was in the game. All you had to do was very basic research, but all the information was there before they even launched the early access.
And even directly after they kept restating, what was in it and the differences from the trailers and from the steam demo.
I literally invalidated everything you said above, with the simple fact that the information was right there for you, so you cannot claim they lied about a single thing.
If you do not enjoy the game as it currently is? That is understandable. That is a fair statement. The game is unfinished. You have every right to feel it’s not fun to you ,For what you paid for it.
But try to be more constructive about it and simply voice your issues to the developers here. Not simply screaming “ SCAM!” When there is nothing to support that claim.
Simply put, you should’ve simply done more some basic research on this game as I did and plenty others did to know exactly what you were buying into. The developers have said multiple times they chose early access to let them work with the community to make the game better as it develops with feedback.
You have valid reasons for the game feeling unfun. Voice them in a post and speak to them directly about them. They always respond.
But don’t go claiming it’s a scam when the front page they explain everything of what is and isn’t in to us all.
just because you feel scammed, that does not mean you are a scammed customer. Your feelings are valid. But you weren’t scammed in anyway shape or form. You simply should’ve read the front page better or checked the website. Or done even basic research before you purchased.
All the information you could’ve wanted was there for you to simply wait. But in the end you were not scammed. You simply don’t like the product you bought. And that’s fair.
But the rest is NOT. These developers have not tricked or scammed you. And that I take issue with as they are open and honest far more than others and at the very least so far are working very hard to update the game quickly and efficiently, far faster than most others and they are keeping us all updated and in the loop and communicating with us.
The game is early access and says so. They even explained WHY the price is where it is. And the meaning behind it in posts. They do not deflect or make excuses and the proof is there for all to see.
I’m not trying to be rude or mean spirited. All I’m saying is be more constructive and write out the issues you see and speak to the developers to improve the game. You have in depth thoughts and feelings. Use them.
This is an early access game. Nothing is finished or fully fleshed out yet. It’s not deflection to bring up the road map and show you they are aware the content is subpar and they are aware of and working on them.
Which again they are open about and speak on freely. You are criticizing this game like it’s a finished product. When it’s not.
What exactly were you expecting when you bought an early access game that JUST came out ? Detailed and fleshed out mechanics and dungeon?
Even the most recent trailer is very clear in that it’s a trailer for a demo for steam next fest. Not the early access as nowhere is it’s name does it say so.
You don’t like your purchase. That’s fine. I do not debate that. But you can go about this a better and more constructive way
Have you tried simply asking the developers questions about the dungeons and gameplay and listing out each flaw you have found and requesting they give you some idea how they plan to fix them?
Like many others have for other things and gotten detailed responses?