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Fierce BoIIocks has Carmageddon: Max Damage

Mar 11, 2018 @ 12:07am

Racing against AI?

It seems that the AI doesnt understand racing.
Ive tried choosing deathrace on hardmode and unselect any option that
would encourage the AI cars to fight eachother but still thats just what they do.
I can start a race and drive slowly and none of the AI cars goes through
any checkpoints.

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STShotgun

Mar 11, 2018 @ 9:53am

Yeah sadly they ruined the AI in an update. Back when they added the extra modes I remember the AI racing rather competently on most routes, then they made a change to make the AI more 'aggressive' where they just target you most if not all the time.

So since the AI doesn't even try to challenge you by racing, now Death Race just feels like Classic Carma where you're forced to do laps and occasionally steal a lap if an AI car even bothers to finish one (in my experience if they're not aiming for you, they're just wandering around the map aimlessly).

It's not just Death Race either. I can understand them aiming for you in Classic Carma since it's an open mode but the objective-based modes really suffer now because of it. Very disappointing imo

Fierce BoIIocks has Carmageddon: Max Damage

Mar 11, 2018 @ 1:43pm

Ok.
Thanks for info Sir STRoadWarrior.

Stainless Games Ltd please fix.
or
Someone please help Stainless Games Ltd
by making a Racing Mod for the game.

👽H€L¡XX®

Mar 11, 2018 @ 8:48pm

"Carmageddon-The antidote to racing games".

If you are racing in this game you are playing it 100% wrong.

This game is fully moddable if you never want to progress in it.

There are numerous threads and posts.

#knowledge is power.

STShotgun

Mar 11, 2018 @ 11:36pm

Originally posted by ~👽H€L¡XX~:
"Carmageddon-The antidote to racing games".

If you are racing in this game you are playing it 100% wrong.

Except that racing in Carma can actually be pretty fun. Carma is also about choosing how you want to play, and if some players want to race then that's their choice. The point is the update they made to the AI made the game as a whole less fun and more boring.

👽H€L¡XX®

Mar 12, 2018 @ 5:18am

@STRoadWarrior:

I suppose maybe I don't understand what update to the AI you are referring to.
While I do realize different players want different things, I never noticed the AI in this game doing laps in any mode except one. Hotlapping in this game really doesn't exist in career mode.
The open world design of this game allows for the AI to wander around, seemingly unfocused on anything besides destroying you, hence the lap stealing option. I have run laps in this game, but to try to race around ignoring the peds and powerups takes the fun out for me. I'm sure others feel differently, and that's ok too.

This game has "Nostalgia Factor" for me, more than anything else. I never even considered it to be a racing game. It is destruction derby in an open world with crazy cars and crazy AI opponents.

If you like racing and destruction, Gas Guzzlers Extreme is a really good choice. There are real race modes, and lot of other modes. Crazy weapons mounted on crazy cars.
I highly recommend it.

This game is faithful to the original is a lot of ways. It satisfied me for the most part.
I was glad to see the release of Max Damage, though I will always like Reincarnation just a little more.

Fierce BoIIocks has Carmageddon: Max Damage

Mar 12, 2018 @ 9:15am

@H€L¡XX

But I wanna play Carmageddon! :D

I like playing Carmageddon for what it is and its style.
But yesterday I felt like playing a racing game with powerups,
destruction and the chance of hitting some random pedestrians.
And since Carmageddon has Checkpoints along a rute,
I thought I would reinstall it and race the AI.
But the AI dont want to Race even in Death Race.

Ive had Gas Guzzlers Extreme on my wishlist for some time
and by your recommendation I guess I'll give it a go.
Though I'll miss the mowing of pedestrians.

Thanks for your input.

👽H€L¡XXv² Mar 12, 2018 @ 12:18pm

Originally posted by Humorous Chimp:
They race in the old ones until you piss them off, they'll go back to racing if you run away enough though

back then the ai was good

Are you referring to Reincarnation, Max Damage or the "old ones" ?

The AI in Reincarnation and Max Damage as far as gameplay are identical.

I have a lot of time in both versions in 2 accounts and have seen no discernable difference.

There is no problem in either game ( C:R or M:D) if it is played correctly and as intended.

Last edited by 👽H€L¡XXv²; Mar 12, 2018 @ 12:19pm

👽H€L¡XXv² Mar 12, 2018 @ 12:52pm

Originally posted by Humorous Chimp:
Originally posted by 👽🆆🅴🅴🆆👽:

Are you referring to Reincarnation, Max Damage or the "old ones" ?
You just answered it yourself, of course im refering to the old ones when i say the old ones, i made no mention of any difference between reincarnation and max damage ai as they are identical and both ♥♥♥♥

Opinons are just opinions.
They are like a$$holes.Everybody has one.
And they all stink.

The "old ones" are not the same game. Not at all.
Comparison is therefore not "apples to apples".

That isn't too hard to understand, is it?

Last edited by 👽H€L¡XXv²; Mar 12, 2018 @ 1:03pm

👽H€L¡XXv² Mar 12, 2018 @ 4:26pm

Originally posted by Humorous Chimp:
Originally posted by 👽🆆🅴🅴🆆👽:
Opinons are just opinions.
They are like a$$holes.Everybody has one.
And they all stink.

The "old ones" are not the same game. Not at all.
Comparison is therefore not "apples to apples".

That isn't too hard to understand, is it?
What are you talking about? my original statement was that in the old ones they race unless you piss them off unlike this game, i've yet to see you disprove it so no its not an opinion its a fact, they raced in the first 2 unless you got them po'd

Then you can take your argument to the forums that deal with the first games, @Humerous Chimp.

This is not those games. This is Max Damage, not the 1997 version or 1998 version. It isn't Carmageddon 2- Carpocalypse Now.

Those original games are completely different in every way possible.

Like I said before:
IT ISN'T "APPLES TO APPLES".

There is no comparison.

Play the ones you like the way you like.
WTF ever.

👽H€L¡XX®

Mar 12, 2018 @ 4:56pm

Originally posted by Humorous Chimp:
Originally posted by 👽🆆🅴🅴🆆👽:

Then you can take your argument to the forums that deal with the first games, @Humerous Chimp.

This is not those games. This is Max Damage, not the 1997 version or 1998 version. It isn't Carmageddon 2- Carpocalypse Now.

Those original games are completely different in every way possible.

Like I said before:
IT ISN'T "APPLES TO APPLES".

There is no comparison.

Play the ones you like the way you like.
WTF ever.
the complaint is about this game tho, its relavent to this thread and is the explanation as to why they dont race

there no need to go to carma 2 forums and make a thread saying ai is great, its pointless

It's almost as pointless as this continuing banter about this game that has been in full release for 17 months.
Relevant to what?
This game is what it is. It is MAX DAMAGE. Nothing else.
There will be no updates, no changes by the devs.
Play it he way it is or mod it to your liking.
To ♥♥♥♥♥ about the way this game is after all this time is just ridiculous, really.

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👽H€L¡XX®

Mar 12, 2018 @ 6:57pm

Originally posted by Humorous Chimp:
Originally posted by ~👽H€L¡XX~:

It's almost as pointless as this continuing banter about this game that has been in full release for 17 months.
Relevant to what?
This game is what it is. It is MAX DAMAGE. Nothing else.
There will be no updates, no changes by the devs.
Play it he way it is or mod it to your liking.
To ♥♥♥♥♥ about the way this game is after all this time is just ridiculous, really.
The guy asked why he cant race and we are saying why, the point of threads is to answer op not sing a games praises

I remember back when me and you defended carnation for its 30 fps, back then I mentioned how the ai is and you agreed, you don't have to be defending it every step of the way escpecially when this is answering the op

I am not defending anything.
I am merely stating the fact that this game plays the way it plays.
I could not care less how others play this game.
But realize this:

THIS GAME IS FINISHED.
DONE.
OVER.

I have done everything I wanted to do in this game ( and Carmageddon-Reincarnatiion)

It's a done deal.

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👽H€L¡XX®

Mar 12, 2018 @ 9:06pm

@HumerousChimp:

The devs walked away from this game upon release. They didn't even bother to fix/patch the audio issues this game has had from day 1, or any of the other (rather small) issues this game was known to have, @HumerousChimp. The damage had been done with the lackluster release of Reincarnation*. Max Damage never had a chance, really.
Online / Multiplayer was never correctly implemented (Drop-in servers, etc) so this game was D.O.A. in online, career had a loss of replayability for most so here we are, 17 months later.

I did at one time defend this game. I was guilty of fanboy blindness when it came to Reincarnation (which in my opinion is still the better version of this game) and made a few enemies along the way due to my sometimes caustic responses to various players whining about the things they felt were wrong with Reincarnation and this version.

Be all that as it may, time has passed and I have accepted the fact that everyone has a right to their opinion and can feel however they feel about this or any other game.
I tend to base my opinions on facts and the fact is some opinions are dead wrong, but you cannot make anyone accept your opinion or point of view if they aren't willing to re-examine the reasoning behind their opinions.To try to help players that want what they cannot have in this game is a waste of time for that reason.
All I was trying to do here is explain that there is a right way and a wrong way to play any Carmageddon game. They are all slightly different, but the gist of these games in similar.
Mission based races in C-2 for instance.
I also feel the fact that I played all of them since the release of the DOS version in 1997 and succesfully completed all of the Carma series of games (without cheating, hacking into files, etc) means I do know a fair bit about all of them.

If a player doesn't like the way this game works, they should simply play another game, as without using mods, hacking various files, etc, this game is going to remain exactly as it is now.
Like it or not, it is what it is.

Put a fork in it.
This one is done.

I hope you and you family are doing well, and I am happy to know you are still in the cyber Steam world , gaming and having fun !

Kind regards,

~👽H€L¡XX~

* Reincarnation was patched after the May 2015 release and most all of the (rather small) issues were fixed, optimization was improved and most everyone was happy with it after late August of 2015.
Even now there are bugged achievements, so they will remain broken for eternity I suppose.

Last edited by 👽H€L¡XX®; Mar 13, 2018 @ 5:19am

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👽H€L¡XX®

Mar 13, 2018 @ 5:23am

Originally posted by Fierce Bollocks:
@H€L¡XX

But I wanna play Carmageddon! :D

I like playing Carmageddon for what it is and its style.
But yesterday I felt like playing a racing game with powerups,
destruction and the chance of hitting some random pedestrians.
And since Carmageddon has Checkpoints along a rute,
I thought I would reinstall it and race the AI.
But the AI dont want to Race even in Death Race.

Ive had Gas Guzzlers Extreme on my wishlist for some time
and by your recommendation I guess I'll give it a go.
Though I'll miss the mowing of pedestrians.

Thanks for your input.

http://store.steampowered.com/sub/66683

Gas Guzzler Extreme /Gold edition is on sale at a super cheap price.

This game also provides servers with bots and with various modes and maps for online, which is something that should have been done to kickstart or maybe save multiplayer in this game.
Anyway, I highly recommend Gas Guzzlers Extreme , it is a blast and right now it is a great deal pricewise for anyone that like car racing and killng in the same game......

Last edited by 👽H€L¡XX®; Mar 13, 2018 @ 5:30am

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