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RawwoR Dec 20, 2018 @ 5:06pm
Shen Rao
Nerf him,he is totally OP.I really dont want to play a game when EVERY time face Shen Rao.Maybe i should drop until nerfs.
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May be you need l2p.
Logan Oak Worm Dec 20, 2018 @ 11:29pm 
Originally posted by HeartHunter:
May be you need l2p.
shen is busted, don't even try to defend this ♥♥♥♥ balance
Rorsch Dec 21, 2018 @ 2:36am 
They need wait atleast week before they add new hero to ranked. You can better balance hero and not ♥♥♥♥ ranked.
Von Dec 21, 2018 @ 10:07am 
How?

His escape cooldown and duration is totally in line with other characters, and he can't be healed during his time immaterial unlike someone like Shifu, Jamilla, or an other sided character.

His non-ultimate damage is among the lowest in the cast unless you hit every single one of your spells (he lacks 1 big damage spell like Destiny or Jade, or the spell synergy of someone like Varesh - a full like m2->m1->E combo with Shen Rao just barely matches Jade's Snipe damage). His ultimate provides most of his big damage and burst potential, but it can be difficult to use and easily countered (1 panic basically completely annihilates it).

Maybe you just need to learn to play against the character? Any new character that comes out in this game, regardless of where they actually end up falling balance wise, ends up being complained about initially. Because the nature of the game rewards unpredictable gameplay, a new character is, by definition, unpredictable for most of the players of the game, making them difficult to defeat.
Dikshit Koomar Dec 21, 2018 @ 1:54pm 
Hey guys I've been playing Shen Rao since his release and climbed from Bronze to Diamond. He is balanced, take my word for it.
Unknown (Banned) Dec 21, 2018 @ 2:04pm 
Just focus him and its ez af. 99% of Shen Rao Players are bad af and just dumdum kids.
krOoze Dec 21, 2018 @ 3:39pm 
Originally posted by Unknown:
Just focus X and its ez af. 99% of X Players are bad af and just dumdum kids.

What kind of advice is that? Can fill anything for X. Love empty witticisms...
Logan Oak Worm Dec 21, 2018 @ 4:36pm 
Originally posted by Von Arlin:
How?

His escape cooldown and duration is totally in line with other characters, and he can't be healed during his time immaterial unlike someone like Shifu, Jamilla, or an other sided character.

His non-ultimate damage is among the lowest in the cast unless you hit every single one of your spells (he lacks 1 big damage spell like Destiny or Jade, or the spell synergy of someone like Varesh - a full like m2->m1->E combo with Shen Rao just barely matches Jade's Snipe damage). His ultimate provides most of his big damage and burst potential, but it can be difficult to use and easily countered (1 panic basically completely annihilates it).

Maybe you just need to learn to play against the character? Any new character that comes out in this game, regardless of where they actually end up falling balance wise, ends up being complained about initially. Because the nature of the game rewards unpredictable gameplay, a new character is, by definition, unpredictable for most of the players of the game, making them difficult to defeat.
his shutdown and zoning is stupid, his kit needs to be reworked to be balanced. shifu's immaterial can be cleansed unlike shen.

you actually suck if you can't dish out damage as shen, he has some of the highest consistent damage in the game, with rites your m1 deals 19 aoe damage.

there's no counterplay to someone that has a free aoe panic that can be recast into aoe silence/stun, a 3 second Iframe that can still deal damage and shield/redirecting stream.

tl;dr shen is completely broken and you need to see it for what it is
Von Dec 21, 2018 @ 7:31pm 
Originally posted by muslim gamer:
his shutdown and zoning is stupid, his kit needs to be reworked to be balanced. shifu's immaterial can be cleansed unlike shen.

you actually suck if you can't dish out damage as shen, he has some of the highest consistent damage in the game, with rites your m1 deals 19 aoe damage.

there's no counterplay to someone that has a free aoe panic that can be recast into aoe silence/stun, a 3 second Iframe that can still deal damage and shield/redirecting stream.

tl;dr shen is completely broken and you need to see it for what it is

You didn't actually refute a single thing I said. His damage is low - yeah, okay, charged 19 damage m1 rites, but that doesn't change the fact that ALL OF HIS BUTTONS TOGETHER is less damage than 1 Jade Snipe - how is that super high consistent damage? All of his buttons together = 1 button from someone else. That's ignoring Jade's other abilities. People like Ezmo, Alysia, etc can all rival him for damage and CC. His immaterial is good, but he has very little/low mobility otherwise. If played well he can certainly do well... but so can most of the rest of the cast, barring a few outliers that are kind of whatever, and they can do well too but sometimes take more work.

I think maybe it's just easier to claim a character is broken than to learn to play against them. I've put many, many games in since his release, and after the first day or so I stopped thinking he was broken because I started doing things like dropping Poloma ult under him after his immaterial ends and watching him go "but muh op" as he takes half his health and dies. Insert any ground targetted AoE into the Poloma ultimate slot and it's... pretty hilarious to watch, especially with a lot of Shen Rao players who will play very aggressively with the immaterial.

Worm original Dec 22, 2018 @ 2:09am 
Originally posted by Von Arlin:
Originally posted by muslim gamer:
his shutdown and zoning is stupid, his kit needs to be reworked to be balanced. shifu's immaterial can be cleansed unlike shen.

you actually suck if you can't dish out damage as shen, he has some of the highest consistent damage in the game, with rites your m1 deals 19 aoe damage.

there's no counterplay to someone that has a free aoe panic that can be recast into aoe silence/stun, a 3 second Iframe that can still deal damage and shield/redirecting stream.

tl;dr shen is completely broken and you need to see it for what it is

You didn't actually refute a single thing I said. His damage is low - yeah, okay, charged 19 damage m1 rites, but that doesn't change the fact that ALL OF HIS BUTTONS TOGETHER is less damage than 1 Jade Snipe - how is that super high consistent damage? All of his buttons together = 1 button from someone else. That's ignoring Jade's other abilities. People like Ezmo, Alysia, etc can all rival him for damage and CC. His immaterial is good, but he has very little/low mobility otherwise. If played well he can certainly do well... but so can most of the rest of the cast, barring a few outliers that are kind of whatever, and they can do well too but sometimes take more work.

I think maybe it's just easier to claim a character is broken than to learn to play against them. I've put many, many games in since his release, and after the first day or so I stopped thinking he was broken because I started doing things like dropping Poloma ult under him after his immaterial ends and watching him go "but muh op" as he takes half his health and dies. Insert any ground targetted AoE into the Poloma ultimate slot and it's... pretty hilarious to watch, especially with a lot of Shen Rao players who will play very aggressively with the immaterial.
are you stupid or just pretending to be? his damage doesn't need setup or effort, jade and ezmo both need huge set up and prep, meanwhile, shen can consistently dish out big damage that doesn't have any requirements, this combined with his shutdown is what makes him op. you are stupid for even talking about a jade's snipe
One escape.
Space. He cant attack you in immaterial, if you stay near with him. Ez evade, low attack skill.
M2. Its fear. All heroes have standart stun or something.
Ez avade ult. Just stay near or far, if he will space to you, he will die, when immateril will over. Second ult phase, most is usless ult in game too. Ez evade and Shen cant control this ult, after press shoot buttom.
E skill. Just nothing interesting and dangerous, low dmg and a little silence.
Ex E. Very hard find attack range for attack enemy, and this skill doing only maximum 20 dmg+a little stun. Spend of energy.
Q. Wow you can block one enemy skill. So? Just shield.
Ex Q. You can reflect skill and cover your allies. Its interesting skill.

M1. Only this skill need nerf and really worth for play this hero, becouse with right rites, you can spam AOE m1 attacks with 19 dmg and good attack range after Q(block damage), R and every succes spells, but no more. Most of other skills usless or standart.

I m play right now, only for Shen, 15 lvl. Melee heroes just fully counter him, you cant win 1x1, like with other DD heroes any other hero. He cant fight with melee. Space, R, F, Q(not good too) - these skills fully usless against melee.

Learn to play my son.
Tictaco Dec 22, 2018 @ 6:57am 
imagine being so braindead as a champ you can miss your auto attack and still deal 19 dmg
Von Dec 22, 2018 @ 1:37pm 
Originally posted by tayler sweft:
are you stupid or just pretending to be? his damage doesn't need setup or effort, jade and ezmo both need huge set up and prep, meanwhile, shen can consistently dish out big damage that doesn't have any requirements, this combined with his shutdown is what makes him op. you are stupid for even talking about a jade's snipe

What are you talking about? For one, I mentioned other characters. Shen's consistent damage is garbo compared to lots of the rest of the cast - both his spells (rmb and e) have 7~8 second CDs, whereas someone like Alysia's rmb has a 3-4 second CD. This leads to a HUGE difference in dps capabilities, especially over an extended fight. Shen's spells take "no setup"? Then why is his ENTIRE KIT literally built to set up his spells? I have to imagine that you're the one pretending to be stupid, since literally his kit is built around the idea of hitting them with rmb and then using the spin to set them up for further damage - there's even a rite that pretty clearly is intended to facilitate and further reinforce this gameplay (being able to redirect storm struck targets). Shen Rao's entire kit is ABOUT setting up and facilitating his damage - just like the rest of the cast. You keep talking about Jade snipe or Ezmo needing a "ton of set up and prep" but I don't understand what you're talking about - Jade can literally exert huge pressure on the enemy team by just pushing and cancelling rmb because of the huge damage threat it provides, and Ezmo needing "setup" is actually laughable - he's a character that's literally designed to dance around the edges of a fight and harass and provide DPS safely, and he's very well equipped to do it without any "setup".

Again, Shen doesn't provide "big damage". I don't really get it. His charged lmbs (which require him to either hit a previous spell or meet some other requirement) do a whopping 2 more damage than Alysia's damage to a chilled target, which doesn't require her to really do anything special aside from applying chill which 90% of her spells do and she can spam her lmbs much more safely while still applying the damage - unlike Shen Rao, who at most can bank 3 charged lmbs with some rites which do not stack up if he continues to gain more charges - meaning if Shen Rao takes the "after dealing damage with a spell your next lmb is charged" rite, he is constantly overwriting his current charge unless you use a charged auto between every spell. It also means if he takes that rite as well as the R or Q rites that charge your lmbs, you can end up overwriting your R or Q charges by dealing damage - and vice versa. None of his spells aside from his ultimate provide high damage by any stretch of the imagination due to their cooldowns and use cases (and the immediately hotfix nerfed the base ultimate down 16 damage and the rite empowered ult down 24...) - so I really don't understand. You literally don't provide any specific examples of anything in any of your posts, and then call me an idiot - but I can't understand what you're talking about if you just insult me and don't provide any sort of backup to what you're saying.

In my experience, Shen Rao's damage is totally in line with or maybe even lower than the rest of the cast, with really good damage from his ultimate but a lot of his spells and abilities being extremely telegraphed which is not an upside in this style of game. Seems pretty balanced to me - probably not perfect, but certainly not as overpowered as you (and other people) seem to think.
Leo Frank Dec 22, 2018 @ 1:49pm 
Shen Rao is cancer and is singlehandedly making me burned out on this game after thousands of matches.
Foox Dec 22, 2018 @ 2:03pm 
I think his M2 AOE rite is cancer. Also the empowered M1's exploding without hitting anything is terrible design.

Other than that, he's very succeptible to sticky melees.
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Date Posted: Dec 20, 2018 @ 5:06pm
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