Do people really hate this game?

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Ever since the sale started I have seen HUNDREDS of tweets talking about how much the game sucks and why you shouldn't buy it. Was this game always hated or is this like a recent thing? Just curious if this is a new thing or if this game was always disliked.

[コトラ]

Originally posted by jesterrr.xd876:

i honestly couldnt care less about the plot in a video game. its a game. the most important thing is the gameplay. not the story. its not that hard. if you want a story read a book. those exist.
celeste is not a game to play for the story, but for the amazing platforming and great feel to moving around.
also theo telling madeline he couldve taken "the ultimate selfie" was funny as hell. i dont see how the hell you got mad at that funny piece of dialogue

This game is extremely arrogant and full of itself. You cannot see anything about this game without it being accompanied by comments about how "life-changing" its story is. It's nothing special.
The nagging feeling of such an arrogant story serving as the backdrop for a game with good gameplay is enough for me to be sick of it and never want to touch it again. Unlikable, one-note, uncharismatic characters who have nonsensical motives. Absolutely zero humanity behind any of their actions. The hug is cute, but it results in Badeline changing character faster than a light switch brightens up a room. The feather scene is good. That's about it. Theo is a character that exists solely so he can say "please educate me about depression, I'm so dumb and know nothing about how it affects people all over the world in our modern-day capitalist world".

I do love bringing up this anecdote all the time (maybe I already did it in this thread and forgot about it): when Jirard Khalil (TheCompletionist) played this game (back when people still had any respect for him, but I personally never cared) he made sure to upload his video before Farewell came out. He spent so long talking about how much of a timeless masterpiece this game is, with such delicate story themes that he had to be respectful about because of how impactful this game is and a bunch of all that mumbo-jumbo that gets spouted all the time. He got all 200 Berries. Then Farewell was released and there was no record of him playing that (and his Steam account is private or friends-only). He got asked about it during a stream in like 2021-2022 (it was during a stream where he was just talking, not playing anything, and I think it was after he came back from a hiatus or something?), and his response was "Haven't touched the game since recording that video!". I thought that was hilarious. He spoke so highly of this game and yet couldn't even be bothered to PLAY Farewell after it came out. Some "completionist" he is! Unfortunately, due to how Twitch works, that stream has long been deleted so I can't actually present proof of this statement, but thankfully after the stuff he did after that I don't think I have to anyway!

A big problem with people is how they love joining bandwagons because some pseudo-celebrity advertises something as good, and because these people have no personality that thing becomes their religion so they feel like they're friends with these pseudo-celebrities (oh, look, another problem with social media). I feel like that's part of the reason why this game blew up the way it did (otherwise it would have likely been somewhat popular still, but only in a more "cult" way; I know I say this game's fanbase is like a cult, but I mean the other type!).

Remember: this game was delayed because "the developers wanted to do the story justice". The "if you want a good story then read a book, don't play a game" argument is extremely dumb, so I'll respond to it with this: if the developers wanted to make a good story, they should have written a book, not made a game.

[Winblows]

Theres always people who hate something, and theres people who have noting better to do then hate. Unfortunately gamers tend to be terminally online people with brain rot. So when people have nothing better to talk about they just pretend they hate random thing they used to know about, since all any one cares about is attention and negativity gets attention. A video on why elden ring sucks would get more hate views then a video on why dark souls 3 is good would get views.

Theres not really a reason to HATE celest, is it perfect no, is any game perfect no. Its over all pretty good and doesnt have anything that notably bogs it down

Nobody really hates the game at least nobody worth caring about does and not in a number that matters. I dont like elden ring or most dark souls games, you think any one cares? you think me disliking dark souls is gona do anything? NOPE.

social media is BS and often not a accurate representation of what people are thinking. most people dont really post and most people you do see post of are probably some random terminally online person who makes up like 10-20% of the platform. and negativity gets views so its always something negative.

ima just say it ♥♥♥♥ 70% of the time steam discussions arnt even a representation of what people are thinking. the game has a over overwhelmingly positive rating and most of the negative reviews are just the game is too hard or they dont like the at style. if people actually did hate the game it would have a lower rating and people leaving reviews on why.

People dont really use steam discussions, terminally one line people do. Most non terminally online people just pop in to see bug fixes or to ask about the game, they arnt gona be in this thread.

look around, the gross majority of people liked this game. and now since theres nothing to talk about its just the weird people coming out of the wood works to dump on it. and what like 30 people? 30 people think they represent any meaningful amount of the audience?

They dont they are just terminally online people with nothing better to do with their life. normal people dont do this

[AnneHakurei]

Originally posted by コトラ:

"Hate" is a strong word. I don't hate this game, I think it's a game that plays really well, that feels satisfying to control, but it falls apart entirely due to juveline, pseudo-intellectual and semi-autobiographical writing. What I got out of this experience is that this was written by someone who had it all growing up, who was very pampered but still acquired depression most likely due to social media and not giving enough value to the things that truly matter in life.
I'm not holding back any words when I say the writing in this game is terrible. Nothing here felt earned, nothing felt real. It felt like a theatrical play, like actors performing what they were told to perform. "I have depression. Depression is bad. There is an evil doppelganger chasing me around the mountain.", "Wow, dude, that's crazy. Duuuude, I think I'm a rabbit.", "She's scared, just talk to her.", "Wow, thanks, I can climb the mountain now!" and so on.

I think the game does somewhat showcase that social media is terrible but it doesn't focus on that enough and instead decides to focus only on how the main character has depression because she has depression and her entire character is that she has depression and we're not allowed to know anything else because she's kinda the developer's avatar. She says "yelling at people online" is her way of coping and Theo gets trapped inside a crystal while a bunch of eyes that don't really do anything stare at him, which is an obvious hint at his shallow Instagram-driven life, but while this could have led to some very necessary criticizing of this lifestyle and how much of the youth today obsesses over likes and followers to the point of having depression if they don't get any attention online instead the game goes nowhere with it. What we get instead is Theo telling Madeline she could have taken "the ultimate selfie" at the top of the mountain, showcasing that he learned nothing about the journey.

All in all, pretentious and overbearing. I really have no other words to describe this game. And as I said a few times I often see people saying they've never played a platformer before this, leading me to think that they probably only played those infinite PvP games with no plot instead and that's why it resonates with them that Madeline says the word "depression", but that doesn't make this game's writing good.
I think the fanbase is equally pretentious and arrogant. Any sort of criticism directed at this game is met with "You just don't understand this game", "You need to educate yourself better", it's all a bunch of personal attacks instead of the smallest consideration that maybe the people who say this is an eternal masterpiece are trapping themselves in a bubble not much unlike Theo's crystal. Break free, expand your horizons, go support more indie games, go experience new stories. If this is the only story you've experienced, of course it'll be the best. As for someone who has played hundreds and hundreds of games, this mountain will just be one of those memories that kinda frustrate you because they had the potential to be so much more.

go back to stupid town, buddy

[hi]

Originally posted by AnneHakurei:

Originally posted by コトラ:

"Hate" is a strong word. I don't hate this game, I think it's a game that plays really well, that feels satisfying to control, but it falls apart entirely due to juveline, pseudo-intellectual and semi-autobiographical writing. What I got out of this experience is that this was written by someone who had it all growing up, who was very pampered but still acquired depression most likely due to social media and not giving enough value to the things that truly matter in life.
I'm not holding back any words when I say the writing in this game is terrible. Nothing here felt earned, nothing felt real. It felt like a theatrical play, like actors performing what they were told to perform. "I have depression. Depression is bad. There is an evil doppelganger chasing me around the mountain.", "Wow, dude, that's crazy. Duuuude, I think I'm a rabbit.", "She's scared, just talk to her.", "Wow, thanks, I can climb the mountain now!" and so on.

I think the game does somewhat showcase that social media is terrible but it doesn't focus on that enough and instead decides to focus only on how the main character has depression because she has depression and her entire character is that she has depression and we're not allowed to know anything else because she's kinda the developer's avatar. She says "yelling at people online" is her way of coping and Theo gets trapped inside a crystal while a bunch of eyes that don't really do anything stare at him, which is an obvious hint at his shallow Instagram-driven life, but while this could have led to some very necessary criticizing of this lifestyle and how much of the youth today obsesses over likes and followers to the point of having depression if they don't get any attention online instead the game goes nowhere with it. What we get instead is Theo telling Madeline she could have taken "the ultimate selfie" at the top of the mountain, showcasing that he learned nothing about the journey.

All in all, pretentious and overbearing. I really have no other words to describe this game. And as I said a few times I often see people saying they've never played a platformer before this, leading me to think that they probably only played those infinite PvP games with no plot instead and that's why it resonates with them that Madeline says the word "depression", but that doesn't make this game's writing good.
I think the fanbase is equally pretentious and arrogant. Any sort of criticism directed at this game is met with "You just don't understand this game", "You need to educate yourself better", it's all a bunch of personal attacks instead of the smallest consideration that maybe the people who say this is an eternal masterpiece are trapping themselves in a bubble not much unlike Theo's crystal. Break free, expand your horizons, go support more indie games, go experience new stories. If this is the only story you've experienced, of course it'll be the best. As for someone who has played hundreds and hundreds of games, this mountain will just be one of those memories that kinda frustrate you because they had the potential to be so much more.

go back to stupid town, buddy

are you 8 years old?

[Ardes // Sérène]

Some people really have too much time to make such wall-words about something they disliked.

But I must say that I really love how that guy is enlighted with the idea that everydoby is wrong about Celeste except him and that he needs to prove that on every discussions.

That's a good example of what I never want to be.

[コトラ]

Originally posted by Ardes // Sérène:

Some people really have too much time to make such wall-words about something they disliked.

But I must say that I really love how that guy is enlighted with the idea that everydoby is wrong about Celeste except him and that he needs to prove that on every discussions.

That's a good example of what I never want to be.

Again, I very much prefer looking at it from a very critical point of view rather than dismissing something just because it left a bad taste.

I would like to think I've been pretty civil about it and that I did not disrespect any person in specific (I've only been very vocal about the feelings of frustration the game has given me, none of them related to the gameplay, and about the general arrogant and holier-than-thou attitude of both the fanbase and the developers), but your comments have come across as very inflammatory and condescending, as if you're the enlightened one and everyone who disagrees with your opinion on this game "needs to educate themselves better". That is a prime example of being passive-aggressive to me, and it's what leads discussions to devolve into name-calling. If this game really is that impactful, you should know better than that.

[Prostokoma]

Some people jsut don't like how hard this game is, but on twitter people don't care if this is the game's fault

[Prostokoma]

Celeste is love of my life btw

[Føx]

I don't understand the view that Celeste is somehow pretentious. I found the game to be a charming and humble narrative with simple dialogue and metaphors. Also Madeline's personal life outside her climb isn't explored so I don't see how she could be labeled as pampered or privileged.

The negative review above is so far removed from the reality of what the game is like, I'm 50/50 wondering if it's rage bait.

[コトラ]

Originally posted by Føx:

Also Madeline's personal life outside her climb isn't explored so I don't see how she could be labeled as pampered or privileged.

She specifically states that her job is not the problem, she has her own home and enough income to be comfortable with drinking excessively (also showing that her age is definitely above 18 and perhaps even above 21) and being permanently online, and she also gets (easy?) access to some sort of medication that she needs. It's easy to forget that she's an adult because she speaks like a spoiled angsty young teenager who is going through a negative experience for the first time in her life.

[Ardes // Sérène]

Originally posted by Føx:

You will just find out that some people like to talk a lot about social themes like priviledged and such things and then put their personal opinion and view about such topic in pretty much everything.

Nothing really to care about. That kind of people who are enligthened with a fight theyr are making up themselves are not worth to speak with.

Plus, - as you can see with the dude who is constantly arguing about whatever related to Celeste to ush the game down - you will often find people who distort things to make a strawman they can then easily beat down.

And all that is quite interesting to note : Madeline was currently talking about such behavior in the game when she explained that she was having a lot of struggles with online people and arguing. It's easy to fall into the rabbit hole of negativity with such people.

But once again, the narrative with Celeste is hinted so everyone can relate and think about it more than 2 s.

It's like a book. Reading it and inderstanding it are two different things. When you understand what Madeline is currently refering to, and when you're educated about these topics, everything falls into place.

[hi]

quit yapping yall

[Elevna]

>97% positive review score
"Do people really hate this game?"

[Alastor]

Personally, I enjoyed the game. In my eyes, the plot was good. The gameplay was frustrating at times, but overall very good.

I haven't had depression, so I can't speak on that point. I also really liked the art style, since it reminds me of some older games styles.

I do say that those who try to correct other people with something as trivial as spelling should probably not make a comment on this, because that wasn't the persons point.

Formatting may help some people read comments more, if that's an issue. Anyways, hope that this comment helps.

[潰瘍]

no, I love