Any shame in not completing the B-sides?

[Sigh Man Vanz]

I’m asking this a bit tongue-in-cheek, but: having completed the base game, am I a total scrub for waving the white flag on the B-sides?

Currently stuck on the hotel level (specifically, the part where the boss re-appears). I guess if I devoted several hours a day to “gitting gud” I could eventually get past it, but between my day job and wanting to pay some attention to my wife, I’m not sure I have the patience for this... did anyone else call it quits around this point while retaining some dignity as a Gamer??

[Clantis]

if the game will control your life in a negative way then don't play it. there's no shame in not completing a game, much like there isn't shame in playing a game in the first place.

[Colbasthe]

Its just a game bro you can manage the time if you really want to do B-sides but life is more important than that. There is no shame to not complete the game fully

[raw maw]

no, it's fine.
B-sides are meant to be a challenge for those who are hardcore gamers of not just Celeste, but the entire gaming industry's platformers.
They're side-content

[Skypris]

Celeste Prologue - Epilogue is the "game" imo with the rest being the icing on the cake for those who want the challenge. I, myself, have only beat the hotel and obv the ones prior. I intend to beat everything but it is gonna take a lot of practice. For those that duck out, there's no shame. This whole game is about "You can do it, but there's no shame if you don't." Plus, I think "gamer" is more a lifestyle of filling a lot of your spare time gaming, maybe researching games, etc and not necessarily beating or 100% them.

[The water pupper :')]

Like the others said, crystal hearts, strawberries, B-sides, C-sides and the Chapters 8 and 9 are not obligatory. You can try those challenges if you have free time. You can take your time to learn the game mechanics but don't give yourself pressure. If you really want to give up on the B-sides, it's also ok. Each person has their own limits. Personally, I'm giving up on the golden strawberries and I retry to learn super wall jumps.

[EF_Neo1st]

Originally posted by Sigh Man Vanz:

I’m asking this a bit tongue-in-cheek, but: having completed the base game, am I a total scrub for waving the white flag on the B-sides?

Currently stuck on the hotel level (specifically, the part where the boss re-appears). I guess if I devoted several hours a day to “gitting gud” I could eventually get past it, but between my day job and wanting to pay some attention to my wife, I’m not sure I have the patience for this... did anyone else call it quits around this point while retaining some dignity as a Gamer??

Well, I am spending 1h at this B side, already gone some screens with the big head following me.

I also dont play it so much per day (like 30min to 90min per day) ... just play it at your pace and as you want.

I believe if you got that far you can do it if you dont focus on the goal (finishing the B side) but doing each individual task (each jump/dash/grab/wavedash) you will get there.

I am stuck at an area where I dont really know yet how to get through but I already learned the positioning and timing setup to use Mr Bighead consistently to jump, my problem is more about how to not return from where I have been while holding for long enough at the wall untill Bighead comes back so I can jump at him, but it is more a matter of time.
If you really want, dont give up, just take your time per day, even if it take long.

Originally posted by The water pupper :'):

Like the others said, crystal hearts, strawberries, B-sides, C-sides and the Chapters 8 and 9 are not obligatory. You can try those challenges if you have free time. You can take your time to learn the game mechanics but don't give yourself pressure. If you really want to give up on the B-sides, it's also ok. Each person has their own limits. Personally, I'm giving up on the golden strawberries and I retry to learn super wall jumps.

Super wall jumps?
What would it be?

[The water pupper :')]

Originally posted by EF_Neo1st:

Well, I am spending 1h at this B side, already gone some screens with the big head following me.

I also dont play it so much per day (like 30min to 90min per day) ... just play it at your pace and as you want.

I believe if you got that far you can do it if you dont focus on the goal (finishing the B side) but doing each individual task (each jump/dash/grab/wavedash) you will get there.

I am stuck at an area where I dont really know yet how to get through but I already learned the positioning and timing setup to use Mr Bighead consistently to jump, my problem is more about how to not return from where I have been while holding for long enough at the wall untill Bighead comes back so I can jump at him, but it is more a matter of time.
If you really want, dont give up, just take your time per day, even if it take long.

When I first did the B-sides, I tried to finish at least one section then I changed level before going back. It kinda helped me to have a different scenery with a different background music after being stuck with the same ones many hours ago. XD

Ah... I remember Chapter 3 B-side and C-side. It was a nightmare to me too. I'll try to redo each B-sides and C-sides to remember the mechanics. Guides and Youtube videos also helped me when I had no idea how to do a level or where collectibles (Crystal hearts, strawberries, etc.) were hidden.

Originally posted by EF_Neo1st:

Originally posted by The water pupper :'):

Like the others said, crystal hearts, strawberries, B-sides, C-sides and the Chapters 8 and 9 are not obligatory. You can try those challenges if you have free time. You can take your time to learn the game mechanics but don't give yourself pressure. If you really want to give up on the B-sides, it's also ok. Each person has their own limits. Personally, I'm giving up on the golden strawberries and I retry to learn super wall jumps.

Super wall jumps?
What would it be?

I'm not sure if I used the right term, but that's something you learn near the end of the B-side of Chapter 7. You dash vertically to a wall then jump to go higher. There are plenty of these in C-sides and in some areas in Chapter 9 too. It was hard for me to learn at first but it became kinda fun when I got used to it.

[EF_Neo1st]

Originally posted by The water pupper :'):

Originally posted by EF_Neo1st:

Well, I am spending 1h at this B side, already gone some screens with the big head following me.

I also dont play it so much per day (like 30min to 90min per day) ... just play it at your pace and as you want.

I believe if you got that far you can do it if you dont focus on the goal (finishing the B side) but doing each individual task (each jump/dash/grab/wavedash) you will get there.

I am stuck at an area where I dont really know yet how to get through but I already learned the positioning and timing setup to use Mr Bighead consistently to jump, my problem is more about how to not return from where I have been while holding for long enough at the wall untill Bighead comes back so I can jump at him, but it is more a matter of time.
If you really want, dont give up, just take your time per day, even if it take long.

When I first did the B-sides, I tried to finish at least one section then I changed level before going back. It kinda helped me to have a different scenery with a different background music after being stuck with the same ones many hours ago. XD

Ah... I remember Chapter 3 B-side and C-side. It was a nightmare to me too. I'll try to redo each B-sides and C-sides to remember the mechanics. Guides and Youtube videos also helped me when I had no idea how to do a level or where collectibles (Crystal hearts, strawberries, etc.) were hidden.

This:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2445083143
Was being the hardest part so far, also because my gamepad was malfunctioning but I found out it was more the USB port it was connected to, but I also could not see for the life of me how to do that without jumping from wall to wall (what now I feel like a total idiot after doing it for not being able to see how I should do it for like over 50min).
Finished the B side with some 1h 40min, around 1h just at this screen.

I dont really remember any specific technique being required for this B side other than being able to jump on Mr Bighead to regain dash and stamina.

Originally posted by The water pupper :'):

Originally posted by EF_Neo1st:

Super wall jumps?
What would it be?

I'm not sure if I used the right term, but that's something you learn near the end of the B-side of Chapter 7. You dash vertically to a wall then jump to go higher. There are plenty of these in C-sides and in some areas in Chapter 9 too. It was hard for me to learn at first but it became kinda fun when I got used to it.

. . . I think I sort of did this by accident sometimes and used it to skip certain jumps/dash I should do.
It is you dash and then press jump while holding up right after you touch the wall, so you go even higher using the dash momentum if you do it right?

[Radon]

It's perfectly fine to stop and give up on a challenge that's too steep for you. That's what games are about - you play them for entertainment, and if it's no longer fun - it's okay to drop it.
In my experience giving up on a certain challenge leads up to beating it later. I don't remeber exactly which room it was, but it definetely was Chapter 4 B- or C-side - I got stuck on a certain level and decided that it's time for a break. But after about a month I came back to Celeste and, surprisingly, I beat that room on the second try.
Also I totally agree that Resort B- and C-sides are cancer.

[Jason]

no shame at all
my friend gave up on first chapter

[DonutSteel]

For me the base game was ~ok~ and the fun was where the post game at but yeah, resort is excruciating

[SquiggleCat]

No shame at all. Remember that this game has assist mode baked into it; the whole point is to get the experience that's fun for you. If doing that B-Side or anything else isn't what you want to be doing, you shouldn't do it. That's not shameful.

[chimaera.]

There's absolutely nothing wrong with stopping. Celeste is easily one of the most agonizing games I've ever played. Beating it is very worth it and exhilerating, but it's really just a game. If it's not fun for you, don't play it. Your life is always more important.

[The water pupper :')]

Originally posted by EF_Neo1st:

Originally posted by The water pupper :'):

When I first did the B-sides, I tried to finish at least one section then I changed level before going back. It kinda helped me to have a different scenery with a different background music after being stuck with the same ones many hours ago. XD

Ah... I remember Chapter 3 B-side and C-side. It was a nightmare to me too. I'll try to redo each B-sides and C-sides to remember the mechanics. Guides and Youtube videos also helped me when I had no idea how to do a level or where collectibles (Crystal hearts, strawberries, etc.) were hidden.

This:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2445083143
Was being the hardest part so far, also because my gamepad was malfunctioning but I found out it was more the USB port it was connected to, but I also could not see for the life of me how to do that without jumping from wall to wall (what now I feel like a total idiot after doing it for not being able to see how I should do it for like over 50min).
Finished the B side with some 1h 40min, around 1h just at this screen.

I dont really remember any specific technique being required for this B side other than being able to jump on Mr Bighead to regain dash and stamina.

I think I was able to do this screen without jumping on Oshiro but I had to be really careful where I jump, fall and climb because once you touch the wiggly things, you can't go back.

I think my technique has a lower chance of success than yours though because I died countless times before clearing the level. Also, practicing jumping on Oshiro is kinda good because you're required to do that to catch one of the strawberries and to complete the C-side of Chapter 3.

Originally posted by EF_Neo1st:

Originally posted by The water pupper :'):

I'm not sure if I used the right term, but that's something you learn near the end of the B-side of Chapter 7. You dash vertically to a wall then jump to go higher. There are plenty of these in C-sides and in some areas in Chapter 9 too. It was hard for me to learn at first but it became kinda fun when I got used to it.

. . . I think I sort of did this by accident sometimes and used it to skip certain jumps/dash I should do.
It is you dash and then press jump while holding up right after you touch the wall, so you go even higher using the dash momentum if you do it right?

I think it's that. I have to admit I'm not perfect with this technique. I often dash under or too far from the wall and I also tend to press the climb button instead of the jump button because of panic.

[EF_Neo1st]

Originally posted by The water pupper :'):

Originally posted by EF_Neo1st:

This:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2445083143
Was being the hardest part so far, also because my gamepad was malfunctioning but I found out it was more the USB port it was connected to, but I also could not see for the life of me how to do that without jumping from wall to wall (what now I feel like a total idiot after doing it for not being able to see how I should do it for like over 50min).
Finished the B side with some 1h 40min, around 1h just at this screen.

I dont really remember any specific technique being required for this B side other than being able to jump on Mr Bighead to regain dash and stamina.

I think I was able to do this screen without jumping on Oshiro but I had to be really careful where I jump, fall and climb because once you touch the wiggly things, you can't go back.

I think my technique has a lower chance of success than yours though because I died countless times before clearing the level. Also, practicing jumping on Oshiro is kinda good because you're required to do that to catch one of the strawberries and to complete the C-side of Chapter 3.

Originally posted by EF_Neo1st:

. . . I think I sort of did this by accident sometimes and used it to skip certain jumps/dash I should do.
It is you dash and then press jump while holding up right after you touch the wall, so you go even higher using the dash momentum if you do it right?

I think it's that. I have to admit I'm not perfect with this technique. I often dash under or too far from the wall and I also tend to press the climb button instead of the jump button because of panic.

I also go with "grab wall buttom" pressed when it is needed and I end up dead because of that too, not exactly panic, it is planned but I forget to release and when I need a faster reaction I end up screwed because of it.

I must update here:
I had gone through the hearts gate at Chapter 9 and decided to continue and I already finished it without all B and C sides.

The "dash and then press jump while holding up right after you touch the wall, so you go even higher using the dash momentum" is required at least for the moon berry, that was the path I chosen because when I shut down the electricity I though I was supposed to go back but a real hell and completely infuriating part after that was waiting for me and after doing that I feel more confident to do the B and C sides.

But I still hate every parachute section there.