How cringe worthy is it?

[piecewise66]

I don't know much about the game but the few things I've seen make me very adverse to buying it. Not the gameplay, but the story and characters.

Polaroids with "#blessed" written on them. Cassette tapes, hipsters with gauged ears, motivational poster sentiments, etc.

Are these things actually that heavy in the game or is it mostly just gameplay?

[Spooky]

The writing is bad and the characters are obnoxious, but it's hardly intrusive to the gameplay. The only thing you'd be missing by skipping the cutscenes is the context to its themes; but they are still conveyed well enough through the gameplay as the game uses fairly cliche motifs.

[piecewise66]

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Main character is supposedly trans now.

Was that always a thing or just introduced later?

[Taro Acedia]

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Main character is supposedly trans now.

Wait what?

[Spooky]

Gotta love retroactive tokenism! But surely you jest, I know Matt is non-binary now yet I'd hope they wouldn't do something as obnoxious as retroactively making Madeline trans.

She doesn't present any characteristics of Dysphoria. You could potentially infer Badeline as being thematic of her body issues but that's far fetched. The motif of personal reflection is only used to convey her anxieties and self-doubt. Badeline is also representative of her fight or flight defense mechanism.

So I don't think it would make much sense in any scenario to make Madeline trans, besides petty tokenism.

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Besides the little flag on her desk, there's also a bottle of pills on her nightstand. She mentions in the story that she doesn't take antidepressants, so it's possible that those might be Estrogen instead. Then there's a childhood photo of her and Grandma in which she looks somewhat masculine with short hair - though it's low-res enough to be ambiguous. Earlier in the story she also tells Theo that she doesn't really like being in photos, and then her inner demon comes from a mirror, which could maybe be read as based on dysphoria.

By themselves it might seem like a bit of a stretch to interpret any one of these hints as Madeline being trans, but all of these together, especially the damn obvious trans flag, seem like more than coincidence.

Madeline said trans rights, deal with it.

[Jelly Sandwich]

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Besides the little flag on her desk, there's also a bottle of pills on her nightstand. She mentions in the story that she doesn't take antidepressants, so it's possible that those might be Estrogen instead. Then there's a childhood photo of her and Grandma in which she looks somewhat masculine with short hair - though it's low-res enough to be ambiguous. Earlier in the story she also tells Theo that she doesn't really like being in photos, and then her inner demon comes from a mirror, which could maybe be read as based on dysphoria.

By themselves it might seem like a bit of a stretch to interpret any one of these hints as Madeline being trans, but all of these together, especially the damn obvious trans flag, seem like more than coincidence.

Madeline said trans rights, deal with it.:msfortune:

It could be her little brother or she just used to have short hair as a kid.

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Her brother can be seen in the background photo here, looks pretty different.[vignette.wikia.nocookie.net]

[Violet-111]

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Her brother can be seen in the background photo here, looks pretty different.[vignette.wikia.nocookie.net]

Maybe her brother is trans? No evidence of course but maybe. Also having short hair doesn't mean you're a boy, I had short hair as a kid
Also, about the pills, she said in the main game that she doesn't take antidepressants, but this was before she had really any kind of treatment. She might have them now. I'm not saying there's no evidence for Madeline being trans but it seems like a bit of a stretch when something else would make more sense.

[1.2M | Missingno.]

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By themselves it might seem like a bit of a stretch to interpret any one of these hints as Madeline being trans, but all of these together, especially the damn obvious trans flag, seem like more than coincidence.

[Peligin]

First of all, Madeline is trans and a cinnamon roll and this meme perfectly encapsulates some people here :P - https://i.redd.it/ldtz4592l3m31.png

Second of all, surprise to no one, the "is this cringe" thread turns out to be the cringiest thing of all. Y'all really filling diapers over CASETTE TAPES of all things and the idea a fictional character might be trans. Embarrassing

[piecewise66]

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First of all, Madeline is trans and a cinnamon roll and this meme perfectly encapsulates some people here :P - https://i.redd.it/ldtz4592l3m31.png

Second of all, surprise to no one, the "is this cringe" thread turns out to be the cringiest thing of all. Y'all really filling diapers over CASETTE TAPES of all things and the idea a fictional character might be trans. Embarrassing

Hey man, I just wanted to know how the story was, because I've heard mixed things.

But honestly, if we're going gender politics with a bunch of characters, I think I'm out. Those kind of games tend to come off as pretty preachy and pandering.

[Peligin]

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Hey man, I just wanted to know how the story was, because I've heard mixed things.

But honestly, if we're going gender politics with a bunch of characters, I think I'm out. Those kind of games tend to come off as pretty preachy and pandering.

You'll pass off a GOTY because you think it might have "gender politics" after seeing it has cassette tapes and people on a forum saying a character is trans

You realize you're the preachy one who wants to be pandered to, right

[Spooky]

He's hardly preachy and it doesn't seem like he wants to be pandered to. If anything, he seems to just be opposed to ironic hipster culture.

Honestly, the cassettes within the game are harmless and only reflect the nature of the game's B &C Sides. I think your anti-hipster bias is just getting to you.

Anyway, Celeste isn't really political. The most political things within in the game are two flags; a pride and trans flag. And they're in exactly one scene. Unless you're One Angry Game, it shouldn't bother you.

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Why is a trans character existing "political"?

[piecewise66]

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Why is a trans character existing "political"?

Gender politics is just a general term for the discussion related to aspects of gender and society. At least thats what I am using (maybe misusing) it for here. And if they just exist, then its not that. But if its a significant plot point, then I'd say it is.

And I'm not really interested in that subject matter. Its like a gay dating sim: its fine that they exist and I'm sure there are people who like them, but I'm not gonna play em.