CAN YOU PLAY AS THE MONSTER OFFLINE

[Thrilled Oaf]

OR IS IT LIKE BLACK OPS 2 ZOMBIES DINER

[aregeny]

No? You can't play as the monster offline?

[Yielding]

Nope. There's currently no Investigator AI.

[All it takes is a single spark]

They arent planning on doing investigator AI just because of the reason for Mapping and stuff

[All it takes is a single spark]

it would take a while

[WaaghMan]

No, you can't play offline as the Monster. We don't have plans on allowing it as doing an Investigator AI is way more complex than the monster's one and we prefer to spend the effort elsewhere.

[james_48]

The IA for the monster has more sense than the IA for investigator because in the original WNO (well, the second) you played againt the IA's monster.

[ssj_vegeta_jm2000]

Originally posted by WaaghMan:

No, you can't play offline as the Monster. We don't have plans on allowing it as doing an Investigator AI is way more complex than the monster's one and we prefer to spend the effort elsewhere.

I'm going to be honest since some of this message creates mixed feelings on a few things...

Programming isnt suppost to be easy, if you as developers run away at the first sign of a challenge to make game features happen, then I dont see your games getting very far. You mentioned that you prefer to put your focus and resources else where, I can understand that since you would get more things done then spending alot of time using trial/error just to add 1 feature... on a business standpoint this is understandable.

However do not feel that just because programming a feature would be difficult or too complex as an excuse to just not give any attempt at all... It makes it sound like as a game developer your not willing to do a full Job of what your job entails.

Quick example would be picture a fast food place that doesnt want a burger on their menu that uses to many ingrediants... It cost more money and time to produce but at the same point would be more popular and bring in more money then the simple burgers they already sell...

Or picture a Sniper complaining about how hard a target would be to hit so hes not gana shoot at it... lol i like this example even more.

This is your guys game and its your call on whats going to happen with it but Not trying sumthing just cause it would be hard is a horrible excuse, where the hell would society be today? Nope screw that stone age it is!!!!

I suppose being as White noise is a simple game and the price is extremely cheap, you prefer to cater to the simple and none expensive game developing, but every game studio wants to grow into sumthing more right? Seeing you guys grow bigger and do well and maybe even doing AAA titles one day is what everyone wants right?

Well if you want to get there you have to fall off the bike a few times befor you can ride, if you were afraid to fall so you never tried then i hope you enjoy walking

[Vintage]

Originally posted by ssj_vegeta_jm2000:

Originally posted by WaaghMan:

No, you can't play offline as the Monster. We don't have plans on allowing it as doing an Investigator AI is way more complex than the monster's one and we prefer to spend the effort elsewhere.

I'm going to be honest since some of this message creates mixed feelings on a few things...

Programming isnt suppost to be easy, if you as developers run away at the first sign of a challenge to make game features happen, then I dont see your games getting very far. You mentioned that you prefer to put your focus and resources else where, I can understand that since you would get more things done then spending alot of time using trial/error just to add 1 feature... on a business standpoint this is understandable.

However do not feel that just because programming a feature would be difficult or too complex as an excuse to just not give any attempt at all... It makes it sound like as a game developer your not willing to do a full Job of what your job entails.

Quick example would be picture a fast food place that doesnt want a burger on their menu that uses to many ingrediants... It cost more money and time to produce but at the same point would be more popular and bring in more money then the simple burgers they already sell...

Or picture a Sniper complaining about how hard a target would be to hit so hes not gana shoot at it... lol i like this example even more.

This is your guys game and its your call on whats going to happen with it but Not trying sumthing just cause it would be hard is a horrible excuse, where the hell would society be today? Nope screw that stone age it is!!!!

I suppose being as White noise is a simple game and the price is extremely cheap, you prefer to cater to the simple and none expensive game developing, but every game studio wants to grow into sumthing more right? Seeing you guys grow bigger and do well and maybe even doing AAA titles one day is what everyone wants right?

Well if you want to get there you have to fall off the bike a few times befor you can ride, if you were afraid to fall so you never tried then i hope you enjoy walking

To be fair the game already has a ton of good features in it, and right now I'd say that it'd probably be difficult to code Investigators since they need to do that 4 times where as with the Creature they only have to do it once.

The game already has a ton of content for the ~$8.99 price tag, if this was worth $30.00+ I would say it would be justified but for ~$8.99?? That's a bit of a tall order buddy.

[Sneaky Sable]

That's not how any of that works really.

AI for Investigators doesn't seem like a worthwhile feature anyway, so i can see where WaaghMan is coming from.

[WaaghMan]

I've met plenty of indie teams that try to get everything they want in their game and fail at it. We are not one of those and prefer to remove things that we feel are not worth the effort/cost , for whatever reason. We've been doing this for 8 years now and no plans of stopping anytime soon.

Interesting that you mention AAA games when most are well know for repeating the same formula over and over and avoiding most risks.

[Vintage]

Originally posted by WaaghMan:

I've met plenty of indie teams that try to get everything they want in their game and fail at it. We are not one of those and prefer to remove things that we feel are not worth the effort/cost , for whatever reason. We've been doing this for 8 years now and no plans of stopping anytime soon.

Interesting that you mention AAA games when most are well know for repeating the same formula over and over and avoiding most risks.

*Cough* Call of Duty *Cough*

[WaaghMan]

Anyway, let's just explain the difference in difficulty.

Monster AI has to:
* Wander around looking for investigators
* Follow them when detected
* If it sees a totem location and is not chasing an investigator, go to it and place one.
* If it's near enough to an investigator, use an attack power (Lights Out, Unfazed)
* If it's not too close to an investigator, use a support/long distance power (Ambush, Decoy)
* If it gets stuck for whatever reason, teleport away.
* If flashed, go for the nearest investigator.

With that, you have a pretty good monster AI. It won't be able to play mind games, but as people can tell, it's not very easy to win against the AI.

Survivor AI would have to, in general terms:
* Look for the nearest tape
* Make sure they stick together while exploring in a general direction (easier said than done...)
* Throw lightsticks at the right time.
* Flee from the monster if they detect it
* Help other teammates if they are being chased by the monster
* Tell the nearest clue location if they use the radar
* Detect, pick and use consumible items when they "feel safe".
* Find and pick batteries when they are low.
* Run when it's necessary, but not all the time.
* Follow the character playstyle (depending on stats and perks).
* Follow non-AI players if there is any.
* Coordinate with other bots (and players) to solve complex clues (the Cases).
* Solve the Finale
* Have a different AI when they become ghosts (although this one would be easier to do).
* (If allowed to play with humans) Be "bad enough" to ensure they do not carry a game by themselves.
* Find and disable traps (but not all the time, otherwise they become almost useless).
* Avoid looking at Idols, tapeworms, scarecrows, the monster, etc. while performing all the previous tasks

[All it takes is a single spark]

Originally posted by ssj_vegeta_jm2000:

Originally posted by WaaghMan:

No, you can't play offline as the Monster. We don't have plans on allowing it as doing an Investigator AI is way more complex than the monster's one and we prefer to spend the effort elsewhere.

I'm going to be honest since some of this message creates mixed feelings on a few things...

Programming isnt suppost to be easy, if you as developers run away at the first sign of a challenge to make game features happen, then I dont see your games getting very far. You mentioned that you prefer to put your focus and resources else where, I can understand that since you would get more things done then spending alot of time using trial/error just to add 1 feature... on a business standpoint this is understandable.

However do not feel that just because programming a feature would be difficult or too complex as an excuse to just not give any attempt at all... It makes it sound like as a game developer your not willing to do a full Job of what your job entails.

Quick example would be picture a fast food place that doesnt want a burger on their menu that uses to many ingrediants... It cost more money and time to produce but at the same point would be more popular and bring in more money then the simple burgers they already sell...

Or picture a Sniper complaining about how hard a target would be to hit so hes not gana shoot at it... lol i like this example even more.

This is your guys game and its your call on whats going to happen with it but Not trying sumthing just cause it would be hard is a horrible excuse, where the hell would society be today? Nope screw that stone age it is!!!!

I suppose being as White noise is a simple game and the price is extremely cheap, you prefer to cater to the simple and none expensive game developing, but every game studio wants to grow into sumthing more right? Seeing you guys grow bigger and do well and maybe even doing AAA titles one day is what everyone wants right?

Well if you want to get there you have to fall off the bike a few times befor you can ride, if you were afraid to fall so you never tried then i hope you enjoy walking

But an offline playable monster is just easy points for the player who is playing the selected creature