perpetual licence or a subscription which is rent to own?

[myclay]

Hi, is there any chance to buy it as a perpetual licence or a subscription which acts like a "rent to own" licence?

[Ben (SideFX)]

Thanks for the question, currently it's not possible to buy a perpetual license or a "rent to own" subscription license of Houdini Indie on either Steam or SideFX's store.

[Recon]

to bad, I don't sub to anything.. I started with Modo indie, and bought it, now I upgraded to Modo Full...no subs... I cant stand subs personally, as you end up paying more at the end of the day... you are not going to get many users wanting to shell out 200-300 bucks for a year. so HAVING more options is suggested. you guys should of noticed this with other software.....

[Ben (SideFX)]

Thanks for the feedback, we'll take it into consideration.

[profmarkc]

I think some perspective is due here. Houdini Indie is to first order approximation as full featured as the full package. The full package is $7000. You can sub for years and years and years before you end up paying more!

[Recon]

Originally posted by profmarkc:

I think some perspective is due here. Houdini Indie is to first order approximation as full featured as the full package. The full package is $7000. You can sub for years and years and years before you end up paying more!

I been in this industry for over 20 years, and if I would of sub to ya Modo, or Maya, I would of paid a ton more. at the end of the day. ( Adobe same thing. ) I also already paid for say Full Maya, and I don't need to worry if I will have the money every month or year....Its paid off..when making a game, we need to worry about stuff like that. ( or bottom line. ) So having those options are needed. ) So say that month I made less money and I cant sub, because I don't have the money. I wont have access to be able to make money... So always having access, and never having to worry about if I have the money or if I have access. So I personally love buying for products as I did with Max, Maya, and Modo. I stated with Modo indie and bought it. Then after 3 years I just switched to Full. So having those options fits my needs and many others are like me as well. /cheers


So not a fan of Subs period. I understand some do, so its always wise to offer options. as well for those who hate subs. I bought Substance, and if I did rent to own or some sub nonsense, I also would of paid more. and indie does not have a pay version according to the site. ( They offer a 5 license. for 5 people . and it depends on what you want, Houdini Core, Houdini Fx, etc...So again, there are OPTIONS. on the site. there indie does not offer options here. thats my input and opinion.:)

[ZeroDeluxe]

@recon Autodesk Maya and 3dsmax, are subscription only for the last several years at roughly 2k a year for the subscription. Correct me if I am wrong but, I don't believe they offer a perpetual license on either software.

[Recon]

Originally posted by ZeroDeluxe:

@recon Autodesk Maya and 3dsmax, are subscription only for the last several years at roughly 2k a year for the subscription. Correct me if I am wrong but, I don't believe they offer a perpetual license on either software.

they stopped at 2016, but if you bought as I did before, we can still buy Auto Desk newer versions. Auto Desk is losing out, due to this Sub nonsense as others..people like to own there stuff ...when making a game, we go a year or maybe 2 with no money coming in, so as an indie or smaller company we perfer to buy our software ....if the sub runs out and funds are low we are screwed..you also pay more at the end of the day...as an example when MODO indie allowed us to buy, I bought it, I paid 180 dollars...I had it for 3-4 years...if I did the sub thing, I would of paid more..

[Ace_Of_Hades]

Anyone who thinks Indie is expensive are welcome to purchase the Houdini FX or Core license.

This software used to cost $8000 a few years back. You can get full access to everything it offers with only a 4K limitation on animation renders. Static renders are unlimited.

All that power for just around £155 a year if you get a 2 year license. Amazing value for money for anyone, you can earn up to $100K as a solo freelancer on an Indie license remember.

'why can't prices be like Allegorithmic', they ARE!!!!

[Recon]

I agree a few years ago a lot of software used to cost thousands.... of dollars. its much cheaper now. but they just need to offer more ways of getting indie. Not everyone likes to rent something. But having as cheap ans Substance, don't work.. Since Houdini offers much more.

[Ace_Of_Hades]

It is a difficult one Recon I agree. They couldn't give a perpetual license away for Indie prices, it is never going to happen.

People can use a PLE edition for free if they want to learn Houdini, that is fair. It makes sense a product that you can earn up to $100K/year as a freelancer should cost money and that is why I say that the license rental cost is very fair IMO.

For others that are not earning a lot of money, use the free PLE edition to learn it. Just rent the product i.e. Indie when you want to go commercial, that is the point of this product.

In my case I have freelanced but I'm generally a hobbyist and like to use a 3rd party renderer with Houdini, as I use Octane 4. I obviously hope to go back commercially one day, so I rent it.

[Ace_Of_Hades]

I can't review this product on Steam because I bought my license direct from SideFX.

What I will give it is as follows:

Product - 5/5
Company - 6/5
Support - 5/5
Roadmap - 5/5

Get your CHOPS into Houdini, a great piece of software!!!

Companies I have thrown to the wayside are as follows:

'Newtek'
'The Foundry'
'Autodesk'

I've saved money on not buying a continued subscription to MayaLT, they've not even updated it this year as I can see no changes. Also never went on the maintenance with Mari or subscription for MODO either, money saved in the bag. Also stuck on Lightwave 2015 and will be for ever.

I now own iClone 7 and CC3. With the cost saved on kicking 3 companies to the kerb, I now OWN iClone and it is mine, no flaming subs and got it black friday cheap. iClone has the same MayaLT style HumanIK rig system and has a ready built facial puppet/morph expression system that works a treat.

Houdini and Substance Painter for me are the only products to me worth having either a subscription for H17 and Indie Perpetual license upgrade for $50 with 1 year maintenance.

Quality.

[僕の名前 (仮)]

I paid 180 dollars...I had it for 3-4 years...if I did the sub thing, I would of paid more..

If it was sub, it could also be something like 18$ a year, and you'd paid more in 10 years.

[Recon]

Originally posted by w000t:

I paid 180 dollars...I had it for 3-4 years...if I did the sub thing, I would of paid more..

If it was sub, it could also be something like 18$ a year, and you'd paid more in 10 years.

huh..... 12 dollars per month x 12 = 144.. for 1 year ... $144 per year...

I paid 180.. had it for 4 years.... it would of cost me $576 instead it cost me 180 dollars. so what are you smoking..

[Recon]

Originally posted by Belem:

It is a difficult one Recon I agree. They couldn't give a perpetual license away for Indie prices, it is never going to happen.

People can use a PLE edition for free if they want to learn Houdini, that is fair. It makes sense a product that you can earn up to $100K/year as a freelancer should cost money and that is why I say that the license rental cost is very fair IMO.

For others that are not earning a lot of money, use the free PLE edition to learn it. Just rent the product i.e. Indie when you want to go commercial, that is the point of this product.

In my case I have freelanced but I'm generally a hobbyist and like to use a 3rd party renderer with Houdini, as I use Octane 4. I obviously hope to go back commercially one day, so I rent it.

I never said it wasn't fair, I just won't pay for a sub, I stated why.:) anyone who runs a small company to make a game as I do, or is a solo developer who know that we can't do month to month...most of the time...we have other programs to buy other than Houdini...I rather pay for a license...1 year... like Substance does, if we want to update the next year we pay again for that year..updates..and so on..Modo does the same thing.. I went Full Modo a few months ago and it was the best thing I could do. :) . Houdini. has me, but due to the sub they lost me..I own Maya, Max, Modo, Unity, assets, Unreal, Cry, World Creator , Motion Builder, World, Machine, Terregan, the list goes on..So I have no problems with buying a license.. as I do with Substance every year.....but I stopped at CS6 because of Adobe's sub stuff...

I been in business for almost 20 years, for being smart with business, and paying for a product, and getting little to no return, there will be months I don't use a program, but I need to have it when I need it for a client or for a game I may be working on at any given time..if I sub to something and its not active, and I rely on say Houdini and I don't have the money that month, i'm screwed.... this happens in this field... we have our good months, years and bad ones.. So I can't stand subs for those reasons, plus as I said you end up paying WAY MORE. as I showed above .


"For others that are not earning a lot of money, use the free PLE edition to learn it." you can't use if your earning money... so this makes no sense.


The sub cost is fair. that isn't the issue, some people hate subbing,and I stated why I know many others in the industry, who refuse to sub. so its Houdini loss, we have other programs we can use. So if they want to get people like us, who freelance, I suggest they think about it...because there are many like me..Now if the want people, who are hobbist,....Most won't pay 200 a year....they complain about MD...Which I find to be more than fair priced... I own MD6, 7 and didn't buy 8, due to not needing anything with 8.