gettysburg missing CSA division

[J. P. Armistead]

So i organised my army logically and placed all my heavy artillery in the 4th division of my 1st corps. This corps was assigned the day 2 slot - 24 out of 25 brigades allowed.
However on day2 round top and later on the final attack this division did not appear on the field!
So for "Picketts charge" i was denied my heavy 20prd guns.
Anyone know why?

[PaloAlto]

The battle is potentially a 4 day battle and like most of the battles, your forces phase in at different times. The following are good guides for all of the battles to help decipher when your forces will show up in a battle. Useful for determining how to organize your corps for any given battle.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1398810316

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1396453437

[D-Dub]

I'll check into this when I can. I'm certainly not surprised, as Kristoph42 and I shared notes on such "missing brigade that shoulda deployed" situations as we were putting the guides together. We noticed more than one instance, although we had too much else to track to focus on it.

Related item: when the AI deploys brigades for us, it tends to follow the first-in-line-by-division-order-are-deployed-first rule; however, there are exceptions here also. Takes a lot of figuring...

[scott0007]

It happens every time. Just plan for it in the future and place that division in a different core.

[Yogol]

In the first phase of Gettysburg, the 4th Division of the 1st Corps never makes it, you only get the first 3 Divisions.

If you really want your 24Pdr you can either
- move them to one of the first 3 divisions
- select them at the start of the first day in the deploy box when you can pick 3 brigades to appear

FYI... a good strategy is to deploy 2 lo,g-reaching cannons brigades in that first deploy box -with 12 guns each and plenty of command- and use them to kill the general that stands on the hill. It helps if you got an artillery-perk on your own general.

You can do this, because the general will keep standing there as long as none of your units is visible to the enemy. And the morale of all the troops will suffer GREATLY if he's dead.

Around the time you kill him, you should get your first reinforcements and you can easily take the hill against the demoralised troops.

Just make sure ALL your troops remain invisible or he'll run away from that vulnerable position.

[Magnus]

Originally posted by Yogol:

In the first phase of Gettysburg, the 4th Division of the 1st Corps never makes it, you only get the first 3 Divisions.

If you really want your 24Pdr you can either
- move them to one of the first 3 divisions
- select them at the start of the first day in the deploy box when you can pick 3 brigades to appear

FYI... a good strategy is to deploy 2 lo,g-reaching cannons brigades in that first deploy box -with 12 guns each and plenty of command- and use them to kill the general that stands on the hill. It helps if you got an artillery-perk on your own general.

You can do this, because the general will keep standing there as long as none of your units is visible to the enemy. And the morale of all the troops will suffer GREATLY if he's dead.

Around the time you kill him, you should get your first reinforcements and you can easily take the hill against the demoralised troops.

Just make sure ALL your troops remain invisible or he'll run away from that vulnerable position.

That is a very good way to take the first VP on Day 1. If you put 1 skirmisher and 2 20pds in, you can also kill the artillery-brigade and decimate the skirmisher brigades before you attack with infantry.

Concerning missing brigades: If you dont max your corps you will recive fewer brigades so just use all 24 slots in the corps you use on Day1/Day2. You can take them from the corps that doesnt fight on that day.

@J.P.Armistead: It is not necessary to extend GB to "pickets charge". You can win by taking LRT on Day2. Going further than that only increases your casualties.

[J. P. Armistead]

Originally posted by Magnus:

Originally posted by Yogol:

In the first phase of Gettysburg, the 4th Division of the 1st Corps never makes it, you only get the first 3 Divisions.

If you really want your 24Pdr you can either
- move them to one of the first 3 divisions
- select them at the start of the first day in the deploy box when you can pick 3 brigades to appear

FYI... a good strategy is to deploy 2 lo,g-reaching cannons brigades in that first deploy box -with 12 guns each and plenty of command- and use them to kill the general that stands on the hill. It helps if you got an artillery-perk on your own general.

You can do this, because the general will keep standing there as long as none of your units is visible to the enemy. And the morale of all the troops will suffer GREATLY if he's dead.

Around the time you kill him, you should get your first reinforcements and you can easily take the hill against the demoralised troops.

Just make sure ALL your troops remain invisible or he'll run away from that vulnerable position.

That is a very good way to take the first VP on Day 1. If you put 1 skirmisher and 2 20pds in, you can also kill the artillery-brigade and decimate the skirmisher brigades before you attack with infantry.

Concerning missing brigades: If you dont max your corps you will recive fewer brigades so just use all 24 slots in the corps you use on Day1/Day2. You can take them from the corps that doesnt fight on that day.

@J.P.Armistead: It is not necessary to extend GB to "pickets charge". You can win by taking LRT on Day2. Going further than that only increases your casualties.

My corps was max size and i didn't get the last division .
One reason i played all four days was to find out if it would eventually appear.
It didn't.
I did take LRT on day 2 - then "gave it back" so the game would extend .
It gave me the opportunity to almost destroy Sedgewicks division.
In the last phase i flanked to my right and rolled up the union line destroying almost all their artillery and bagging 9 20 pdr Parrots for an additional casualty count of only about 1000.
I didn't bother to try Culps hIll or attack Cemetery Ridge at all.
Also i fancied playing Gettysburg the way it actually panned out - but using Hood's tactics of flanking to the Union's left.
I am now considering trying the Picketts charge option of a frontal assault to see what happens.

[J. P. Armistead]

Damn me! Same thing happened at Chickamauge - only 2 out of 12 brigades from my 3rd and 4th divisions actually turned up despite the pre battle allocation allowing 24 of 25 brigades.
I won but was sorely depleted in the number of brigades i could field.

Is it a bug devs?

[PaloAlto]

Hmm... I never get the 4th division on day 2, but I do get the full 3rd division (6 brigades). Supposedly, there is a day 3 for the battle and you get all your brigades then, but I have personally never been able to get it to trigger.

[D-Dub]

There's no bug involved, as far as I can tell: it's working by design -- but the actual design isn't made clear. What I (seem to!) know is this: for both CSA and USA alike, the 2nd deploy-corps does NOT deploy fully at Chickamauga. For CSA, only 3 divisions (or, more likely, only x number of divisions: 15? 18?) will deploy. For USA, I'm not sure -- but it's not the full complement. I think that Kristoph42 has some precise stats on this. K42? Or, PaloAlto, sounds like you've done some digging-n-finding...?

BTW, as USA, to trigger Day 3 for Chickamauga, here is at least one way (as articulated in the USA Battle-Guide that K42 & I put together): "If Jay’s Mill & Brotherton Road are both NOT held, then Day 3 commences after this phase (NOTE: if only one is held, then battle ends in DEFEAT or DRAW, depending on status of other VPs. That is, if all others are held, but EITHER Jay’s Mill OR Brotherton Road is not, then DRAW follows. This guide is not yet clear on the conditions for a DEFEAT here.)"

For CSA, I am still not clear on what triggers Day 3. Sometimes it happens for me, sometimes not. Fog of War and all that? One of the many mysteries of life -- or of gaming?