Farmer based on a real musket or just a concept?

[Hydra]

Is the Farmer supposed to represent a specific real musket or just the concept of old outdated muskets used in the war?

[CivWar64]

I'm guessing it's the Model 1816 Springfield flintlock musket. Apparently both sides had lots of them before the war broke out. From Wikipedia:

"It was also used during the early years of the American Civil War until around 1862. The large majority of Model 1816 muskets had been converted to percussion firing by 1860. Muskets made prior to 1821 were considered too outdated to be serviceable weapons and were not converted. Most of them were in Southern arsenals and a large number of Confederate soldiers for the first year of the Civil War had the misfortune of carrying flintlock muskets, some of which dated back to the War of 1812."

[PaloAlto]

This website has a decent listing of the different weapons used in the civil war.

Civil War Weapons[www.militaryfactory.com]

[Kristoph42]

Awesome website PaloAlto

[CivWar64]

Seconded. Awesome website!

[Hydra]

Thanks for all the responses and the link! Yea the 1816 Springfield flintlock definitely seems like it would be the prime candidate.

[Stix_09]

Farmer and Galton Gun Manufacturer in England.
ie imported weapons

https://historywm.com/file/historywm/e09-galton-family-during-napoleonic-wars-32631.pdf

While the Pattern 1853 “Long” Enfield Rifle Musket is the English long arm that immediately comes to mind when discussing the guns imported by the Confederacy during the American Civil War, the South also imported thousands of older, obsolete arms during the first 12-18 months of the conflict. On February 3, 1863, the head of the Confederate Ordnance Department, Josiah Gorgas, released a summary of arms and equipment purchased and imported from the beginning of the war through the end of 1862. Some “21,040 British Muskets” are included within that summary statement. Research has determined that this number of “British Muskets’ was primarily comprised of obsolete British P-1839 and P-1842 percussion muskets, as well as slightly more modern P-1851 Mini” Rifles. Documents and invoices within the McRae papers suggest that the breakdown was 9,400 P-1839 and P-1842 muskets (with no further classification possible) and 11,640 P-1851 Mini” Rifles. One receipt from J.E. Barnett & Sons (London), dated July 3, 1862 documents the shipment of 8,260 smoothbore muskets from Liverpool, bound for the Confederacy. The arms appear to be part of a lot of some 30,000 “obsolete & defective muskets & rifles” that were purchased by Barnett from the British Ordnance Department in the fall of 1860.

SEE REF
https://collegehillarsenal.com/confederate-used-british-p-1839-musket

so looks like imported smooth bore guns made by Farmer to me (or some common name of)

something like the "brown bess" probably
https://collegehillarsenal.com/british-pattern-1742-long-land-musket-by-farmer-dated-1747

The Pattern 1839 Musket was the first percussion infantry long arm to be widely issued by the British military. For all practical purposes the gun was a modernised India Pattern (aka "3rd model") Brown Bess musket, a gun that had been in use within the British military since 1793 (Type I). The Type II, adopted in 1809, remained the standard infantry service long arm until the adoption of the P-1839

[Hydra]

Originally posted by Stix_09:

Farmer and Galton Gun Manufacturer in England.
ie imported weapons

https://historywm.com/file/historywm/e09-galton-family-during-napoleonic-wars-32631.pdf

While the Pattern 1853 “Long” Enfield Rifle Musket is the English long arm that immediately comes to mind when discussing the guns imported by the Confederacy during the American Civil War, the South also imported thousands of older, obsolete arms during the first 12-18 months of the conflict. On February 3, 1863, the head of the Confederate Ordnance Department, Josiah Gorgas, released a summary of arms and equipment purchased and imported from the beginning of the war through the end of 1862. Some “21,040 British Muskets” are included within that summary statement. Research has determined that this number of “British Muskets’ was primarily comprised of obsolete British P-1839 and P-1842 percussion muskets, as well as slightly more modern P-1851 Mini” Rifles. Documents and invoices within the McRae papers suggest that the breakdown was 9,400 P-1839 and P-1842 muskets (with no further classification possible) and 11,640 P-1851 Mini” Rifles. One receipt from J.E. Barnett & Sons (London), dated July 3, 1862 documents the shipment of 8,260 smoothbore muskets from Liverpool, bound for the Confederacy. The arms appear to be part of a lot of some 30,000 “obsolete & defective muskets & rifles” that were purchased by Barnett from the British Ordnance Department in the fall of 1860.

SEE REF
https://collegehillarsenal.com/confederate-used-british-p-1839-musket

so looks like imported smooth bore guns made by Farmer to me (or some common name of)

something like the "brown bess" probably
https://collegehillarsenal.com/british-pattern-1742-long-land-musket-by-farmer-dated-1747

The Pattern 1839 Musket was the first percussion infantry long arm to be widely issued by the British military. For all practical purposes the gun was a modernised India Pattern (aka "3rd model") Brown Bess musket, a gun that had been in use within the British military since 1793 (Type I). The Type II, adopted in 1809, remained the standard infantry service long arm until the adoption of the P-1839

Interesting, thanks for the update!

[Aluminum Elite Master]

Love the game, but yeah, one tiny hang-up I have is that some of the weapons are named things that I don't think are at all accurate:

Farmer's musket
CS Richmond
Fayetteville
Frank Wesson

and even a few others seem to be either esoteric nicknames or names that were invented entirely.



On the other hand, I will give credit where it is due: UG:CW does also get names right that sometimes are messed up in other games of the period. For instance, I've played CW games where they call it a Winchester... which, well, the Henry was the predecessor that actually got used, while the Winchester came later.

Overall, the names of weapons are all over the place... sometimes surprisingly accurate, sometimes not the actual name at all.