Battle of Salem Church

[vanrosi]

I have won the Chancellorsville (CSA). But after this there comes a new Battle but I have to play with my nearly dead brigades. I have to fight with 5000 troops against over 20000 troops. No chance.

I thougt Chancellorsville would be the last battle? Am I wrong?

[uhamster9]

The answer to "Why am I outnumbered as CSA" is always "It's historical".

[vanrosi]

I have no problem to be outnumbered. But if i start with brigades with 780 Soldiers and have to fight against 2800 brigades it's a little bit unfair. I didn't even could choose which brigade I would have to fight. The mission starts with random troops from my army, pretty strange in my opinion.

[GerthQuake]

Originally posted by uhamster9:

The answer to "Why am I outnumbered as CSA" is always "It's historical".

Are they wrong though?

I strictly play CSA, and i'm as annoyed by it as you are. But it IS Historical, it forces you to play differently, which is a good thing.

[uhamster9]

Originally posted by DiddlerOnTheRoof:

Originally posted by uhamster9:

The answer to "Why am I outnumbered as CSA" is always "It's historical".

Are they wrong though?

I strictly play CSA, and i'm as annoyed by it as you are. But it IS Historical, it forces you to play differently, which is a good thing.

Not complaining :)

[Half life Expert]

When I got to that point in my Union campaign, I was suprised by the appearance of Salem Church, as it appeared to be structured as a seperate batte. So is it a suprise 11th battle? (as the update stated 10 new battles) or is it permanently attached to Chancellorsville to be considered part of it for game purposes?

Regarding the strengths of the units. I had gotten to Salem Church after pulling off a major victory at Chancellorsville as the Union, where i had effectively destroyed both Jackson's and Lee's forces. But at Salem Church, i thought i was looking at some of the same units i had just destroyed or massively reduced, but at full strength (same brigade commander names).

I had no problem with my own forces, as it appeared to be a full strength Corps under John Sedgwick, with all infantry brigades having between 1700 to 2900 men. I wasnt able to deploy any of my three corps on the pre battle map.

[vanrosi]

Originally posted by Half life Expert:

When I got to that point in my Union campaign, I was suprised by the appearance of Salem Church, as it appeared to be structured as a seperate batte. So is it a suprise 11th battle? (as the update stated 10 new battles) or is it permanently attached to Chancellorsville to be considered part of it for game purposes?

I thought the same. Maybe not intended from the Devs? Because it's seems to be a minior battle. I thought Chancellorsville was the last scenario for both sides. Hmm, we will see when new battles are on the way I think.

[nadollison]

Having studied the civil war I was not surprised by the inclusion of Salem Church and appreciated the historical touch, though I am surprised 2nd Fredericksburg was not also included since they would already have the map to reuse for it.

Historically, while Hooker took 80,000 troops westward to Chancellorsville, he left Sedgewick and 30,000 or so at Fredericksburg to hold Lee in place while he flanked. Lee left Jubal Early with a small holding force on Marye's Heights and met Hooker with the rest of his army, Jackson did the flanking, etc. While the battle was going on at Chancellorsville, Sedgewick stormed Marye's Heights in the 2nd Battle of Fredericksburg and moved to attack Lee's rear, thus forcing Lee to turn back with some of his troops to meet Sedgewick at Salem Church.

So Salem Church is technically part of the overall Battle of Chancellorsville, thus no chance for CSA players to refit units beforehand, but is yet enough of an independent engagement to structure it in-game as a seperate battle. So the real question I have is will there be additional rewards/recruits/points awarded for victory at Salem Church above the stated Chancellorsville rewards.

If a new future patch inserted 2nd Fredericksburg it might make the Chancellorsville campaign more interesting, especially for the CSA since you would perhaps need to assemble and assign a smaller third corps to Marye's Heights to allow Confederate players to either pull of a big upset and win (and avoid Salem Church) or at least damage the Union brigades before having to fight at Salem Church.

[vanrosi]

Originally posted by nadollison:

If a new future patch inserted 2nd Fredericksburg it might make the Chancellorsville campaign more interesting, especially for the CSA since you would perhaps need to assemble and assign a smaller third corps to Marye's Heights to allow Confederate players to either pull of a big upset and win (and avoid Salem Church) or at least damage the Union brigades before having to fight at Salem Church.

I am curios too how it will be implemented. Sadly I couldn't see the rewards for this fight. I have won in Chancellorsville but then this battle comes and i was really surprised by playing this with my nearly dead brigades.

[GeneralPITA]

This appears to have been patched such that you control a separate corps that is not your own at Salem.

[uhamster9]

Originally posted by GeneralPITA:

This appears to have been patched such that you control a separate corps that is not your own at Salem.

Is it patched recently? I still hear about people complaining about fighting with almost dead brigades on this forum.

[GeneralPITA]

Originally posted by uhamster9:

Originally posted by GeneralPITA:

This appears to have been patched such that you control a separate corps that is not your own at Salem.

Is it patched recently? I still hear about people complaining about fighting with almost dead brigades on this forum?

In beta I had to fight for Salem with my own corps as CSA, but as union I was given Sedgewick's corps I believe.

I'd have to replay as CSA to confirm, that would take awhile.

[vanrosi]

Originally posted by GeneralPITA:

I'd have to replay as CSA to confirm, that would take awhile.

Me too. But sadly I can't play it again, no savefile. Have to do it if the game is finished and then I play a new campaign with the CSA in one run. Can't await it.

[RobWheat61]

Originally posted by uhamster9:

Originally posted by GeneralPITA:

This appears to have been patched such that you control a separate corps that is not your own at Salem.

Is it patched recently? I still hear about people complaining about fighting with almost dead brigades on this forum.

"Almost dead brigades", that's hardly believable. Did they fight on Legendary Difficulty?

[retreatbyrecoil]

Salem is a tough fight and was a surprise for me. I gritted my teeth and fought it out my brigades ranging from fresh to rather shot up. I won but just barely. Conclusion I was satisfied with a victory that I had to earn and certainly did not expect. I guess the only way to avoid the battle is if they allow strategic decision making and you get to choose some battles over others and do not have to fight them all.

[Vilmin JF]

I use to win at Chancellor ville too with CSA(normal difficulty), at Salem church I use to have the choice to deploy my third corp (and choose the brigades I wanted): 3 artillery(10pdr Parrod and ordnance) and 7 infantry(springfield 1855);almost 12000 men facing 26000 / losses: almost 3000 and union 12000!!
Just hold the the line in forest cover; detach skirmishers forward your brigades; keep firing the most dangerous unions brigades trying to move you from the forest.
Wait for timer.