Union or Confederates?

[Cpt. Kid]

7:03 AM 1/31/2017

I havent played as Confederates yet. Im not into Civil War era. Who has better military and more organized? Union or Confederates? I picked Union because I was hoping they were more organized with better weapons/military.

Just from looking at all 50 state flags did you guys (Confederates) side with Ireland? What the f*ck? I sided with the British Monarchy again. Did South have a bunch of Irish brigades?

St. Patricks Cross is Ireland.

Theme song for Confederates beating the clock. This is american culture if you are from Europe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAZOCgR6pmM

[FroBodine]

There is no such acronym as UAC in the Civil War.

[GerthQuake]

I'll Bite.

The Union was known for its economic and Industrial strength, allowing their armies to be supplied with the newest gear, without breaking the bank. The Union also had what we call "Political Generals" (Dan Sickles is a perfect example) These men are non-west pointers
(U.S MIlitary Academy) and often are politicians that are rich and infuencial enough to raise their own regimant, or brigade from their area of residence, and elist for service in the Union Army. Where they would serve alongside West-Point graduates and the Army of the Potomac. The Union had entire divisions and Corps that were comprised of immigrants and new citizens. For example the XI Corps of the Union Army was mostly German Immigrants. You also hear of the "69th" Irish Brigade, and other special units.

The South however, was known for their Capable Leaders, and crack veteran soldiers that proved they were worth 3 yankees in return. Southern Generals were almost always West-Point Graduates, and were almost certainly capable military leaders. (Famous Generals like Robert E Lee, and Thomas J. Stonewall Jackson, and Jubal Early) And yes, the south had Irish immigrants and Units as well, Kelly's Irish Brigade was the Confederate Counterpart for the Unions "Fighting 69th Irish Brigade".


You want real Civil War music? Youtube these gems-

Hoods Old Brigade
Southern Soldier
Dixieland
The Volunteer 11
Kellys Irish Brigade

Just to name a few, Alabama is a fantastic band and all, but not really in the atmosphere of the Civil War. lol

[Bon Scott]

Originally posted by DiddlerOnTheRoof:

I'll Bite.

The Union was known for its economic and Industrial strength, allowing their armies to be supplied with the newest gear, without breaking the bank. The Union also had what we call "Political Generals" (Dan Sickles is a operfect example) These men are non-west pointers
(U.S MIlitary Academy) and often are politicians that are rich and infuencial enough to raise their own regimant, or brigade from their area of residence, and elist for service in the Union Army. Where they would serve alongside West-Point graduates and the Army of the Potomac. The Union had entire divisions and Corps that were comprised of immigrants and new citizens. For example the XI Corps of the Union Army was mostly German Immigrants. You also hear of the "69th" Irish Brigade, and other special units.

The South however, was known for their Capable Leaders, and crack veteran soldiers that proved they were worth 3 yankees in return. Southern Generals were almost always West-Point Graduates, and were almost certainly capable military leaders. (Famous Generals like Robert E Lee, and Thomas J. Stonewall Jackson, and Jubal Early) And yes, the south had Irish immigrants and Units as well, Kelly's Irish Brigade was the Confederate Counterpart for the Unions "Fighting 69th Irish Brigade".


You want real Civil War music? Youtube these gems-

Hoods Old Brigade
Southern Soldier
Dixieland
The Volunteer 11
Kellys Irish Brigade

Just to name a few, Alabama is a fantastic band and all, but not really in the atmosphere of the Civil War. lol

Every song you have there i lison to when i play every time getting me in the mood and i sweer i do alot better while lisoning to civil war tunes Kellys irish Brig. is one of my favs. lol

[GerthQuake]

Originally posted by Scott:

Every song you have there i lison to when i play every time getting me in the mood and i sweer i do alot better while lisoning to civil war tunes Kellys irish Brig. is one of my favs. lol

I do the same, to the point where i've created a playlist of songs that i have on repeat in the background at all times. lol

[Dodde]

Originally posted by DiddlerOnTheRoof:

I do the same, to the point where i've created a playlist of songs that i have on repeat in the background at all times. lol

Haha, i almost do the same, but i put on british marches instead of civil war music.
79th's farewell to gibraltar is a great way to get into the right state of mind! :D

[GerthQuake]

Originally posted by Ohen:

Haha, i almost do the same, but i put on british marches instead of civil war music.
79th's farewell to gibraltar is a great way to get into the right state of mind! :D

To each their own, Onward to Glory! lol

[Bon Scott]

Originally posted by Ohen:

Originally posted by DiddlerOnTheRoof:

I do the same, to the point where i've created a playlist of songs that i have on repeat in the background at all times. lol

Haha, i almost do the same, but i put on british marches instead of civil war music.
79th's farewell to gibraltar is a great way to get into the right state of mind! :D

What ever does it for ya buddy like dude sead to each his own and yes i also have a repeating play list rofl

[Half life Expert]

The Union and Confederates had thier own advantages and disadvantages.

The Union had much more men, a vastly larger industry, rail network and financial base. The downsides are not great morale in the early war and a number of bad commanders, the worst being George McCellan, who was the commander of the Army of the Potomac for much of the early part of the war.

The Confederacy had the inherent defensive advantage, as well as better morale early in the war, and they generally had much better officers and generals. Their disadvantages include a much smaller population (even if you include all the slaves), not much industry or railroads, and being under a naval blockade.

And Irish Immigrants served on both sides of the war, as did many other ethnic groups such as Germans. In fact i remember that a Union regiment from I think Wisconsin was entirely Norwegian and primarily spoke that language.

My favortie song of the war will always be Battle Hymn of the Republic.

[Black Hammer]

The Confederate generals are widely overrated. Once they stopped fighting absolute incompetants, and instead faced a drunk (Grant) and a schizo (Sherman) with a modicum of talent to go with their problems, the South folded like paper.

[Cpt. Kid]

6:09 PM 1/31/2017

Who owned more land? Union or Confederates? Who had more soldiers? Whoever had more soldiers and more land I will play as.

[GerthQuake]

Originally posted by Black Hammer:

The Confederate generals are widely overrated. Once they stopped fighting absolute incompetants, and instead faced a drunk (Grant) and a schizo (Sherman) with a modicum of talent to go with their problems, the South folded like paper.

You're completely uneducated on the American Civil War if you even for a second entertain the notion that southern commanders were overrated. All Divisional and Corps Commanders of the Confederacy were West Point graduates and prominent commanders and soldiers in the Mexican American War. Please tell me all about the professionalism in Dan Sickles and John Logan, Political Generals who rose to Corps and Divisional Command in the Union Army and were largely regarded as disastrously incompitent, among countless other ineffective Union Generals that came before them.

The same simply cannot be said about the South, period. By 64-65 the CSA was bled dry of men and material. Grant and Sherman were by far the boldest, most capable Generals in the Union Arsenal. And deservingly remained in command through the end of the war. You cant expect anyone to take you seriously with ridiculous unsubstanciated claims like that.

Originally posted by HRH Prince Nicholas Herrman:

6:09 PM 1/31/2017

Who owned more land? Union or Confederates? Who had more soldiers? Whoever had more soldiers and more land I will play as.

The Union

[Cyborg Lincoln]

Confederates are always the best choice to play as in any Civil War game! This may just be my own personal bias speaking (born in Texas) but I will always respect every man and woman who stood up for the Confederate cause. These were people who faced insurmountable odds with bravery and always found a way to keep going when the situation looked hopeless. I never want to romanticize the war, as I still think secession was the worst possible scenario and was driven by the whims of the elite and poltical classes in the South, but I will always hold the soldiers and generals of the Confederacy in high regard.

[Bon Scott]

Originally posted by #PONCHOS Cyborg Lincoln:

Confederates are always the best choice to play as in any Civil War game! This may just be my own personal bias speaking (born in Texas) but I will always respect every man and woman who stood up for the Confederate cause. These were people who faced insurmountable odds with bravery and always found a way to keep going when the situation looked hopeless. I never want to romanticize the war, as I still think secession was the worst possible scenario and was driven by the whims of the elite and poltical classes in the South, but I will always hold the soldiers and generals of the Confederacy in high regard.

True that every word from Alabama myself born and raised.

[Lumpy]

Well, what others said. The Northeners had access to more manpower and material, while the Southeners had more motivated, crack troops and (argueably) the better leaders. The leader thing should be met with a healthy amount of scepticism, though.

There are many scholars that advocate that the South's "strength" in leadership was tied to the North's initial weakness in that regard. Also, there is quite a lot of legend involved in this subject, and things tend to get idealized, just like the german Panzer might during WW2, which has little to do with reality (only about 10% of the Wehrmacht was motorized in 1941, and the Soviet T34 tank was better than everything the Germans had when it was first fielded, for example).

I myself, although preferring to play the underdogs in strategy games, tend to pick the North in Civil War games. Just as the career option tooltip when starting a new game says, I oppose slavery, thus I have no other choice than to fight for the North.

[Punished Wizzard]

The Civil War was definitely fought over slavery though. It's sentimental, but there's no shame in wanting to support the side that's fighting against slavery.