Why So Short?

[KripTed]

Did you just make it purposely around 2 hours long? So we can't refund it after we beat it? Is that why it's so short? Don't get me wrong. You have a great game, great design and a great story. Why make it so short? You could have made it soooooo much longer than 2 hours. Despite this game being very creative and beautiful, it's not worth the current price tag due to the fact it's only 2 hours long.

[Q alt]

It's very similar to a movie. Movies are like...what? 90 minutes long usually. You have to pay like 10 bucks for a ticket on a cheap day, 10 more for popcorn and a drink, even more if you get candy. You have to wait for the movie to start, wait for the previews, then finally see the movie.

Treating games like this as your monthly/weekly movie at the theatre makes it more understandable.

[DudeAbides]

I agree with KripTed. The cost of admission is not worth it. I paid $14.99 and it was over in a blink of an eye. IT was good during that blink but i was seriously disappointed at the length.

As for your movie analogy, I quit going to movies years ago because it cost to much. I also bought a game I was not going to the movies.

I also bougth Kingdom Rush for $2.50 during the steam sale. I have 10 hours in the game and I'm still not finished. I also enjoyed it more.

[KripTed]

I have to agree with Templar as well. The cost of admission is not worth it. I don't go to the movies anymore when I can just rent a movie for 4.99 and watch it at home with all my snacks already paid for. The game is good for the short duration but it's definitely not worth 21.99CAD. If we were to treat movies like games, then we should be able to rent games for 4.99 for 24 hours. I rather pay for a subscription for countless of games than pay 79.99 or 21.99 for a 2 hour long game.

[Saint.Million]

It's an indie game... These kind of games literally wouldn't exist at all if they only sold for peanuts and buttons (the devs have to earn a living just like the rest of us).

"What Remains of Edith Finch" is one of the most unique and original 'games' in existence. Not to mention it's beautiful aesthetics, immersion and narrative - all developed by a handful of staff.
And that is what justifies the cost.

Sure it isn't perfect, but gamers these days expect too much without considering the HUGE amount of time, effort, cost and creativity that actually goes into developing modern games.

[Buck]

Originally posted by KripTed:

Why So Short?

Because it is. it's an interactive story. It's more like a self directed movie than a traditional game.

Did you just make it purposely around 2 hours long?

it's as long as it needs to be to tell the story they wanted to tell.

So we can't refund it after we beat it? Is that why it's so short?

This is actually one of the pitfalls of producing a shorter game on Steam. People abuse the refund policy to return games after they've finished them.

Don't get me wrong. You have a great game, great design and a great story.

sounds like you got your money's worth then.

Why make it so short?

We just covered this. Pay attention.

You could have made it soooooo much longer than 2 hours.

They could have sure, but frankly, that would get very, very boring. This isn't a high action game. All you're really doing is slowly moving along following the story.

Despite this game being very creative and beautiful, it's not worth the current price tag due to the fact it's only 2 hours long.

That's your opinion and you're welcome to it, but it's a mistake to judge the value of a game on playtime. You think it's too short? well move slower. Spend more time looking at stuff. Or would that be too boring for you? Because that's the same reason I wouldn't want to game to be too long!

Originally posted by Templar Dude:

I paid $14.99 and it was over in a blink of an eye.

that's less than you pay for most Movie tickets or DVD's and you get similar length of content.

As for your movie analogy, I quit going to movies years ago because it cost to much. I also bought a game I was not going to the movies.

Going out to the movies can get expensive yes, but sometimes it's worth it to get to see a movie on a huge screen in 3d as opposed to my relatively small 50" with a so-so home theater system at home.

I also bougth Kingdom Rush for $2.50 during the steam sale. I have 10 hours in the game and I'm still not finished. I also enjoyed it more.

k.

gratz? I'm glad you're enjoying it, but that's apples and oranges here. I personally don't care for tower defense games, so even at $2.50 it would have no value for me.

[KripTed]

Say what you want but the game is too short for the price that's being offered. Stop comparing movies to games when you can rent a movie for 4.99 and have it for 24 hours, or a week before you hit play. If we're going to compare apples to oranges or movies to games in this case, then games should be 4.99 for 24 hours once you hit play, or 7 days before you hit play. I rather pay 4.99 for a game I can beat in 24 hours than 21.99 for a game I can beat in 2 hours. No one is saying the game isn't good, it's just too short. I'd definitely buy more products from this company/developers, but only if they start adding more gameplay.

It's not just an opinion, it's a fact. The game is not worth the current price tag, a 2 hour game should be 5$. Since you are so keen on comparing movies to games, I can rent a movie for 5$ and watch it for the same amount of time as this so called game. This game is not the next best thing since sliced bread, put your ego aside and realize the truth. I get it, you want to feel as if tho you didn't waste your money, so you're going to stand up for this game with all your might, but the fact remains that it's unbelieveably short for the price you pay. I'm not the only one who thinks so, but keep pestering me and I'll give this game a negative review.

[Buck]

Originally posted by KripTed:

Say what you want but the game is too short for the price that's being offered.

That's your opinion.

Stop comparing movies to games when you can rent a movie for 4.99 and have it for 24 hours, or a week before you hit play.

The length of the movie doesn't change when bought instead of renteded.

If we're going to compare apples to oranges or movies to games in this case, then games should be 4.99 for 24 hours once you hit play, or 7 days before you hit play.

That's your opinion.

I rather pay 4.99 for a game I can beat in 24 hours than 21.99 for a game I can beat in 2 hours.

I'd rather pay $0. Guess we're both out of luck there.

No one is saying the game isn't good, it's just too short.

that's still just your opinion.

I'd definitely buy more products from this company/developers, but only if they start adding more gameplay.

That's not the kind of games AnnaPurna Interactive makes though.

It's not just an opinion, it's a fact.

No, just, no. Simply saying something "is a fact" does not, in fact, make it a "fact" at all. It's JUST your opinion whether you admit that or not.

The game is not worth the current price tag

Then don't buy it. No one's twisted your arm and forced you to hit that buy button. You are just in buyer's remorse.

a 2 hour game should be 5$.

that's your opinion.

Since you are so keen on comparing movies to games

I'm not "keen" on anything, but considering that AnnaPurna Interactive is primarily a motion picture production company, it's quite an apt comparision.

I can rent a movie for 5$ and watch it for the same amount of time as this so called game.

Ok, that's lovely and all. Shame the game isn't available for rent, but this sill doesn't change the fact that non one forced you to hit that "buy" button

This game is not the next best thing since sliced bread

Strawman. I never suggested that it was. If you're going to go off on an angry forum derp rant, do try to stay on topic.

put your ego aside and realize the truth.

Ad hominem. you're attacking me and not the argument.

I get it

do you? Because you don't really seem to. you seem to be letting your imagination run away with you now.

you want to feel as if tho you didn't waste your money

Not that it's any of your business, but I don't feel like I wasted my money. I bought the game on sale and enjoyed every minute of it.

so you're going to stand up for this game with all your might

More strawman ad hominem. Attack me all you want, It won't affect me nor will it magically make you right.

but the fact remains

Still having trouble understanding the difference between facts and opinions I see.

that it's unbelieveably short

Yes it is short, but that's pretty much par for the course with "walking simulators". nothing "unbelievable" about it.

for the price you pay.

That's your opinion.

Are you seeing a trend here yet, or what?

I'm not the only one who thinks so

"Argumentum ad populum/bandwagon fallacy" and "confirmation bias".
I'm sure it makes your sore tushy feel better to know that other's agree with you, but that isn't proof of anything and it doesn't make you right.

but keep pestering me and I'll give this game a negative review.

lolok whatever. You sling all the empty threats you want bunky, it's not going to phase me. You go ahead and leave whatever kind of "review" you want, it'll be like spitting into the wind. I personally don't put much stock in user "reviews", but the game's getting a overwhelmingly positive response. You're entitled to your opinion, but please get off your high horse.

[KripTed]

Not an empty threat. You're being a total nuisance and trying to compare apples to oranges and defending a game with all your might, despite the fact that it's shorter than a popsicle stick. Time to write a bad review just for that sole reason. This game is not that great, why are you still posting on my thread? It's not solely my opinion, or have you not read the entire thread? Have you not read the reviews? I've seen some people say the same thing, even tho they gave it a positive review. Clearly you're keen on trying to defend this game like it's your first born child, get over it kid, the game is nothing special. All those top paid review websites are full of bs. This game is a 6.5/10 at best. I can't take anything you say serious when you said "rentended" rofl. You're wrong, I'm right.

[lizziebe]

In my opinion, I just don't see why this game would be longer. It is story driven, and all the narratives are carefully told in those 2 hours. Now, if they stretched it, making everything bigger to occupy more time, the game would just eventually get boring. But what happens is the opposite, you get more and more curious about the members of the family, wondering what tragedy happened next. I guess the developers simply decided that it was more important to deliver a great, short experience than one within a "more normal" playtime. I appreciate that very much.

People are making those comparisons because, to them, playtime shouldn't be directly related to the price of the product, or at least not that much. Let's take Firewatch: it is also a "walking simulator", costs the same as Edith Finch, but is 4 hours long. Using this mentality, one could say it is worthier of the 20 bucks because it lasts more, but to me, it doesn't. I like it a lot, but I don't think the story is as good, the game world is not as rich, and it just doesn't feel as meticulously crafted as Edith Finch. In fact, it feels stretched, if it had been made shorter, maybe the narrative would have been more engaging to me.

I do agree that the game is a little overpriced, and that is the reason I haven't bought it yet. But I intend to in its next sale, even if it is just a 5% discount. I have watched an entire playthrough already, but I want to experience the world more directly too, and I believe it will be worth it.

[KripTed]

Originally posted by lizziebee4:

In my opinion, I just don't see why this game would be longer. It is story driven, and all the narratives are carefully told in those 2 hours. Now, if they stretched it, making everything bigger to occupy more time, the game would just eventually get boring. But what happens is the opposite, you get more and more curious about the members of the family, wondering what tragedy happened next. I guess the developers simply decided that it was more important to deliver a great, short experience than one within a "more normal" playtime. I appreciate that very much.

People are making those comparisons because, to them, playtime shouldn't be directly related to the price of the product, or at least not that much. Let's take Firewatch: it is also a "walking simulator", costs the same as Edith Finch, but is 4 hours long. Using this mentality, one could say it is worthier of the 20 bucks because it lasts more, but to me, it doesn't. I like it a lot, but I don't think the story is as good, the game world is not as rich, and it just doesn't feel as meticulously crafted as Edith Finch. In fact, it feels stretched, if it had been made shorter, maybe the narrative would have been more engaging to me.

I do agree that the game is a little overpriced, and that is the reason I haven't bought it yet. But I intend to in its next sale, even if it is just a 5% discount. I have watched an entire playthrough already, but I want to experience the world more directly too, and I believe it will be worth it.

I wasn't curious at all. I appreciate your opinion and the way you view it. I honestly ran through this game in 1.8 hours. The story was subpar and the characters had no depth to them. Everyone dies in the dumbest way. The only good thing about the game, is that it is creative and different in terms of atmosphere and cool little texts they added in certain spots, or that mini game. Other than that, the game was too short and lacked a lot of content. The game was simple and felt like it was designed for simple minded beings. If I'm going to be spending my hard earned cash on something, I expect to get my money's worth. I can't say that for this game, I can't even say that for most current games that are out nowadays to be completely honest. I wouldn't have been bored with a longer play time, that would have actually gave some characters depth and development, thus creating an attachment to said characters. That's exactly what they do in TV shows, so that way when they die or whatever, you can actually feel that loss as if it were your own. The only emotion I felt playing this game, was sadness and that wasn't due to the fact that the characters died. It was due to the fact that I wasted my money.

[lizziebe]

It's a pity you didn't enjoy the game, but oh well, everyone has different tastes. About the refund, they probably wont return to you because then many people would do it too, even if they liked the game, abusing the system. It used to happen a lot a couple of years ago if I'm not mistaken. They must have decreased the minimum gameplay time for refund of Edith Finch and others.

I say you should take a look at How Long to Beat next time a story driven game attracts your attention. I use that a lot to calculate how many weeks or months I'll spend in longer games, and you could use it to avoid disappointments XD

[TheKillerNacho]

Someone call the waaamulance.

[xabungle]

I enjoyed it and see no problem with the cost.

[KripTed]

Originally posted by lizziebee4:

It's a pity you didn't enjoy the game, but oh well, everyone has different tastes. About the refund, they probably wont return to you because then many people would do it too, even if they liked the game, abusing the system. It used to happen a lot a couple of years ago if I'm not mistaken. They must have decreased the minimum gameplay time for refund of Edith Finch and others.

I say you should take a look at How Long to Beat next time a story driven game attracts your attention. I use that a lot to calculate how many weeks or months I'll spend in longer games, and you could use it to avoid disappointments XD

I'm not asking for a refund. They can keep my money, it's not the first time a company or corporation burned me.

Originally posted by TheKillerNacho:

Someone call the waaamulance.

There's a difference between crying and stating my opinion and subjective truth. For the record, it's "waaambulance".

Originally posted by xabungle:

I enjoyed it and see no problem with the cost.

Good for you. I wish I could say the same.

[Buck]

oh my god are you butthurt or what?

Originally posted by KripTed:

Not an empty threat.

It is to me. What the hell good do you think threatening ME about this is going to do for you?

You're being a total nuisance

if you say so.

and trying to compare apples to oranges

Tu quoque? You're the one guilty of mutual exclusion here, not me.

and defending a game with all your might

again, attack me all you want, that's nothing but a strawman ad hominem.

despite the fact that it's shorter than a popsicle stick.

That was somewhat clever, but you're still incorrectly equating the value purely with the playtime which is just a fallacious argument.

Time to write a bad review just for that sole reason.

Write whatever "review" you want, why the hell do I care?

This game is not that great

And I disagree. You're entitled to your opinion, but so am I

why are you still posting on my thread?

lol, [sic] "your" thread. you own it? It's a public forum bunky. I can respond to any If you can't take criticism then don't post.

It's not solely my opinion

SO FREAKING WHAT? THAT DOESNT.MEAN.OR.PROVE.ANYTHING! How many times do i have to say this before you it gets through your rock thick skull??

or have you not read the entire thread?

Yes and most of us responding here appear to disagree with you. So explain to me how our collective opinion isn't valid but you think yours is?

Have you not read the reviews?

No, but I don't need to. Again, I don't put all that much stock in user reviews, but they are clearly highly positive.

I've seen some people say the same thing,

again with the bandwagon nonsense.

even tho they gave it a positive review.

Other people are allowed to have their own opinions.

Clearly you're keen on trying to defend this game like it's your first born child

How many times are you going to repeat this same strawman ad hominem?

get over it kid

lol ok.

the game is nothing special.

Then what are you getting all butthurt and bent out of shape for.

All those top paid review websites are full of bs.

Shill gambit. You got proof that they are being "paid" in exchange for positive reviews? You going to accuse the steam users of the same thing too?

This game is a 6.5/10 at best.

ok.

I can't take anything you say serious when you said "rentended" rofl.

I'm surprised it took you thing long to resort to attacking spelling errors. Getting desperate are we?

You're wrong, I'm right.

You keep telling yourself that. Whatever makes you feel better.

Originally posted by KripTed:

I'm not asking for a refund. They can keep my money, it's not the first time a company or corporation burned me.

lol. oh shut up, if anyone "burned" you here it's yourself.

There's a difference between crying

Oh you are definitely crying like a capital B-eye-tee-cee-aych.

and stating my opinion and subjective truth.

Have whatever opinion you want, but stop pretending yours is the only valid one.

For the record, it's "waaambulance".

for the record attacking spelling is a red herring and ad hominem. typo's happen.