So...boat speeds

[Incidental_Fish]

First off, I just want to say that I love this game so far. I don't have as many hours in as some but I am liking the experience. But I have one gripe: Boat speed.

I know this isn't a new topic, but I did a bit of rough math and the speeds that the boats travel at do not even fit within the logic of the game.

During my little test I estimated that an in-game minute is roughly 4 seconds real time.

Moving at about 4.7 knots according to my speedometer, I was doing about 10 meters per in game minute. Ten meters per minute is only .32 knots. that is nearly 15 times slower than the stated speed. If something is 2 km away that is only a couple ticks over a mile (for other Americans out there lol), and it really should not be taking hours in game, or almost an hour real time to travel that distance.

I think what annoys me the most is not that the boats are slow. It's actually kind of fun to pilot the vessels, but more that what we are being told our speed is is not only innacurate, but kind of breaks the game's own logic in terms of distance, speed, and time.

[Jackrabbit_V6/ RSProduxx]

another one made a similar statement... but you forget that the 2km that take you several ingame hours would be 30km in reality, if the 1:15 scale you mention (1minute=4 seconds) is correct... the time is running faster because the distances are smaller, so it simulates a "real" time/ distance ratio...

30km (2km in game) at 5 knots ...should take you roughly 3 ingame hours (12 minutes rl)... take a look and see if that is roughly true ...

[Angel of Verdun]

If you buy a 5000m hook line in the game and go to set the gear you only set 500m.

In other words the distance in the game is compressed by a factor of 10 (at least for the hook lines). If the length of the hook lines (5000m description vs 500m deployed in the game) translates over to the rest of the distances in the game then for every 1 kilometer you travel in the game you would have traveled x10 longer realistically (ergo 10km realistically for every 1km on the game map)

[Jackrabbit_V6/ RSProduxx]

the difference between this game and, let´s say, Eurotruck is that it shows the ingame km, not displaying the "would-be-in-RL" km as the others do... but wether it shows the scaled km or the real ones, the method is the same

scaled distance and compressed time at a certain ratio...

[Angel of Verdun]

Edit:

10knots = 18.5 km/h
The distance from Hammerfest harbour to eastern side of Håja (the big island west of Hammerfest) is pretty close to 8km in real life.

This means the trip from Hammerfest to east side of Håja would, when going 10knots, would take about 25 minutes.

I haven't measured the time it takes from Hammerfest to Håja in the game, but I am fairly confident it's less than 25 minutes...

You can use this to get accurate Travel time per Y distance based on X speed: https://www.timecalculator.net/speed-distance-time-calculator

[Dreamsurfer]

Don't forget weather.

[elbaito]

i thought there is no 5000m hook line. The 5000 hook line is 500m long. Or does it say otherwise somewhere? Seems more logical to have 10 hooks per meter on a long line than 1 hook per meter.

As far as speeds, I think they are good how they are. If im going 10 km/hr i think it feels more realistic to cover 10km in a real life hour than an in game hour.

[Angel of Verdun]

Originally posted by Dreamsurfer:

Don't forget weather.

I'll do some testing when I get home :)

It's simple enough though.

1. Measure the in-game distance from east side of Håja to the entrance of Hammerfest (the stone jetty with the yellow sign on it)
2. Start your boat inside Hammerfest harbour and get it up to 10knot speed.
3. Start measuring the time when you pass the jetty.
4. Stop the time when you get to east side of Håja island.
5. Compare to realistic calculations (8km distance @ 10knots will take 25m55s , not counting the weather/wind)

So how long does it take in the game to travel the same X distance @ 10knots ?

[Dreamsurfer]

I would like an option though for NM as measurment. Btw. I would like actual sea maps and navigation tools also in the future. Some of us enjoy that sort of stuff :D.

Don't know if anyone here played Silent Storm but that game had lots of cool tools for calculating speeds and navigation.

[Angel of Verdun]

Originally posted by elbaito:

i thought there is no 5000m hook line. The 5000 hook line is 500m long. Or does it say otherwise somewhere? Seems more logical to have 10 hooks per meter on a long line than 1 hook per meter.

You can buy 5000m and 10000m hooklines for the Vibeke Cathrin.

Here's a screenshot from the gear/catch log for my 5000m line: https://i.imgur.com/8uGNAHN.jpg

You can see the description says "5,000m hook long line", and when setting the gear in the game it will stretch over a 500m distance (the set length vs full length indicator on bottom left will say 237m / 500m, as an example)

[elbaito]

i think that is just a typo in the log book or something, because it makes much more sense that 5000 is the number of hooks. The nets are 165m and set out at 165m so why would the long lines be scaled 1:10 but the nets 1:1?

[Incidental_Fish]

Originally posted by Dreamsurfer:

Don't forget weather.

I made sure that my test was on smooth (ish) water with clear weather, since I notice that the rolling waves were creating a +/- 1 knot or so fluctuation in my speed (at least according to the speedometer).

I appreciate the responses. For some reason I did not account for the map scale. Cheers

[Angel of Verdun]

The numbers are in:

Distance from stone jetty at Hammerfest to east end of the Håja island.
In-game: 4,5km
Realistic: 8km

Going 10knots speed (18,5kmh):
Real time spent to travel 4,5km in-game: 13mins 30 seconds.
Realistic (calculated time) to travel 8km: 25mins 55 seconds.

Game-time elapsed while fast traveling the 4,5km from Hammerfest to Håja: 5 hours 30 minutes.
Real distance you would have traveled in 5 hours 30 minutes going 10knots (18,5km) = 101 kilometers.

So going 10 knots we spend 13 mins 30 seconds to travel 4,5km, while expected distance we should have covered is 101 kilometers.

Conclusion: The time in the game is going MUCH faster than you would expect.

Should have taken 25 mins of in-game time to travel 4,5km (and it takes 13 mins real time to cover that distance), but the in-game time is actually 5 hours longer than what you expect (5 hours 30 mins elapsed vs 25 minutes expected).

[Jackrabbit_V6/ RSProduxx]

yep... and as i said in our little talk... i assume they just accelerated the time by alot to get ingame days done faster... if they´d adhere to the game´s actual scale, each ingame day would take us like 1/3 of a realtime day or even more, which would probably be bad for gameplay, even if closer to realism :)