Stats above 20

[Johnny Casey]

So, Dog in my game now has natural 20 Dex.

If I cast Agility of Fire to him, would he be benefit from speed bonus?

[fauxpas]

Test it and let us know.

[SouP]

Technically it should, considering that DEX specifies the speed bonus is doubled over 20. Not sure how that translates in game, and whether there's a hardcap or not.

[Muro]

Short answer: no.

Long answer:

Originally posted by Johnny Casey:

So, Dog in my game now has natural 20 Dex.

If I cast Agility of Fire to him, would he be benefit from speed bonus?

The highest a stat can go is 20, unless the racial starting value is higher than 8.

The way that works is, you can invest max 12 character points in a stat, and then if that value is lower than 20 after that, it can still be increased with buffs like spells, items, consumables.

So for example, a human starts with 8 Dexterity, and can go up to 20. An elf starts with 9 Dexterity, so their max is 21. On the other hand, a dwarf starts with 7 dexterity, so they can only get up to 19 with character points, but can still reach 20 if they use a dexterity buff like the agility of fire spell or wearing a charged ring.

Dog's starting Dexterity is 8, so 20 is the highest it can get, with or without buffs.

Originally posted by SouP:

Technically it should, considering that DEX specifies the speed bonus is doubled over 20. Not sure how that translates in game, and whether there's a hardcap or not.

You might be thinking of Strength there, since the damage bonus indeed doubles at 20 and above.
For Dexterity, each point is a point of speed, with the exception of Dex 20 at which you get 5 speed extra. It goes something like:

8 Dexterity -> 8 Speed
9 Dexterity -> 9 Speed
10 Dexterity -> 10 Speed
(...)
18 Dexterity -> 18 Speed
19 Dexterity -> 19 Speed
20 Dexterity -> 25 Speed
21 Dexterity -> 26 Speed

[Johnny Casey]

So anything can reach 20 stat with certain buffs and items, but only those who start out bonus points to stat can go above 20 stat. Is that correct?

[Muro]

Correct, but the bonus at the start needs to come from race.

A bonus from background can let you get to 20 (or closer to it if your race starts with a penalty), but doesn't count as a racial bonus.

For example half-ogres start with 4 intelligence, and their normal maximum is 16 (4+12).
If the half-ogre has a miracle operation background, he starts with 7 intelligence and can go as far as 19 (7+12).
But if a human has a miracle operation background, they start with 11 intelligence, but their maximum is still 20.

[Johnny Casey]

I see. Thanks for clearing that out.