height adjustment

[ThEdUDe]

Dev Please fix the height adjustment settings. My son wanted to play the game, but hes under the lowest height setting. since hes shorter than the 5'6" the game thought he was crouching. Which was causing slow movement. Please make the lowest setting around 4'5"

[Damien]

Originally posted by ExTrAStR3nGtH:

nah screw that, dude. im not gonna let that ♥♥♥♥♥ talk to me like that. besides this message was for the devs anyways. not you guys 2 cents. thanks but no thanks. good lock the ♥♥♥♥!

LOL ok, good luck.

[Crocodile Chunkee]

Originally posted by Damien:

So basicly we need a midget class and instead of knife they shoul yield a battleaxe. LOL

I think the height "fix" will take more time. The current character models need to be sorted out before it can be lowered on to those heights.

i cry

[Keep Sailing Bob]

Originally posted by ExTrAStR3nGtH:

Originally posted by Polisbil:

Sorry to be crude but having people that short in the game would cause imbalance. He would have such an easy time taking cover and would still be as fast. No, just no. I could accept that they scaled his movements but then the world would look very small for him.

BS thats discrimination pal. What if a small adult wanted to play? it doesnt say anywhere about height requirments before purchasing!

lol, this sort of PC garbage is why we have Trump for a president. People are so sick of it. If it's going to be realistic a person that short in the game (or a midget) shouldn't be capable of running as fast as those who are average height (just like in real life).

[ransom]

Originally posted by Wolf Eater:

Originally posted by ExTrAStR3nGtH:

BS thats discrimination pal. What if a small adult wanted to play? it doesnt say anywhere about height requirments before purchasing!

lol, this sort of PC garbage is why we have Trump for a president. People are so sick of it. If it's going to be realistic a person that short in the game (or a midget) shouldn't be capable of running as fast as those who are average height (just like in real life).

First.. Trump? Really?
Second... This isn't Battlefield or Call of Duty where everyone is the same height. VR has limitations and having a required altitude is perfectly fine for the reasons already stated by others.
Third... OP, this game isn't for kids. If your kid is short, them's the breaks. Get over it. He can stand on a milk crate.

[Chaunsey]

Originally posted by Caboose:

Discrimination against a non-protected category is OK if it's justified. For example, you probably discriminate between a mentally ill homeless person, and a respectable, middle class anyone.

That said, children playing Onward presents some unique problems. The first is of advantage. Being short has the advantage of presenting a smaller target, and the disadvantage of being unable to utilize some types of cover that allow an adult to shoot over it. If movement was scaled with height then I feel the advantages of being small would be sufficiently offset. It could be argued that the current disadvantage of perpetual crouching is already sufficient disadvantage, and the vote kick system is sufficient policing to get rid of especially unruly children.

Second, is the issue of maturity. Children tend to be annoying, loud, and exercise poor judgment. This makes them unsuitable for Onward, which requires team work, communication, and sometimes silence. However, I believe children will play anyway, whether Onward caters to them or not, which makes the questions of whether we *want* child players a moot issue.

Last is the issue of realism. Child soldiers exist in real life, therefore children would not necessarily be out of place in this game; however, a child could not control recoil like a heavier adult can, nor do they have the arm span to handle longer rifles. I'm not aware of any body armor that fits a child.

let me start by saying, yes, there has to be a reasonable minimum height, we cant have like odd little 3' dwarfs running around, but reasonable means catering to most regular people, down to just under 5' tall i'd say.


your first point has little weight imo, someone being 5'0" or 5'2" is not so amazingly small as to amount to an advantage, and in some cases it is a disadvantage in terms of seeing over certain cover etc.

furthermore, you're talking about height as though anything under 5'6" is a child or practically handicapped, the global height average is just 5'7" there are entire nations who's average height is lower than the minimum height in onward, for example indonesia, thats millions of people whom, you think the game should not cater to. if the game is going to cater to someone like me who at 6'3" is 8" over the global average, then it's fair to also cater to people who are 8" below the global average at 4'9" you want to scale movement, i think thats fine, but its not all that different.



your second point is meaningless, because we all know that lack of maturity happens with gamers of all ages, and as i pointed out already, lower height doesnt automatically mean a player is a child anyway, so regardless, height has little to do with maturity. and we're really not talking about children, but teenagers anyway. actual children in this game isnt very common, and teenagers dont really have a height issue, by 14 years old the average person has already reached over 90% of their eventual height. so while i dont think the game should cater to kids, i dont think it has to, by catering to the majority of adults, most teenagers are already accounted for.


your last point is incorrect again as well. first off, like i said, we're not really talking about children mostly, but teenagers, and teenagers are mostly as large and physically capable as plenty of adults, there are lots of small adults who in real life are less physically imposing than plenty of teens. the game shouldnt be trying to cater only to large people.

you also made 3 points related to gear.

body armor: there are vests made in all sizes, as i said, there are some entire countries who's average height is smaller than 5'6" , and they have body armor, as well armor is adjustable. heck a friend of mine in a major US security organization is just 5'2" and he has no problem fitting vests.


rifle size: likely more specifically, pull length, this is a none issue, most moderrn rifles are adjustable, bnut mostly just for comfort's sake, older ones fit pretty well even down to a small size, i own a lot of guns of all types, old rifles, AR's an AK and other various types of firearm and have never found one flat out too large for small people to operate.

Recoil: again, not important, while size makes managing recoil more forgiving, most of it comes down to technique, ive seen small people fire large guns like a champ, and large people get bopped on the nose by moderately powered guns. it comes down to training and familiarity, and the game implies that your character is a well trained operative.

if you've ever seen IPSC, 3 gun USPSA etc type practical shooting competitions, they've got kids competing in the junior divisions all the way down to 12 or so years old, they'll tend to stick with 9mm and 5.56 for softer recoil, but especially in like 3 gun, they've often be shooting 12ga, or .308 sometimes for long shots.

there are 80 pound little teenage girls competing who handle the recoil just fine and can beat most adults in competition.

[Igotdild4u]

Ive heard a lot of complaints about some people being legitimately too short to play. Id be for lowering the limit a bit, but I think it would be absolutely terrible having tiny little players running around all the time. I've played games with people able to do that and it makes it a nightmare trying to hit a child sized target a few hundred feet away. Im also not much into Kony Simulator 2017.

[Ruby]

This is the funniest thread I've ever read

[pandamong1]

Originally posted by Keep Sailing Bob:

Originally posted by ExTrAStR3nGtH:

BS thats discrimination pal. What if a small adult wanted to play? it doesnt say anywhere about height requirments before purchasing!

lol, this sort of PC garbage is why we have Trump for a president. People are so sick of it. If it's going to be realistic a person that short in the game (or a midget) shouldn't be capable of running as fast as those who are average height (just like in real life).

I know i'm a few years late, but as a dwarf this makes me mad, because you just said I don't deserve to play this game because of something out of my control. I love VR, but I hate how I have to check steam to see if I am even able to play a game, and people like you make it 10x worse. I get what everyone means with don't lower the minimum height, and I agree instead make a toggle-able height adjuster, that if you where at a lower height you would move slower.