the update that made me sad

[joj0.st4r]

ok so
you get garbage for the fixxed classes now in some dungeons??? why WHY
just trash

you get about 300 ghent tokens total/6 runs so you can not make gold in that dungeons anymore by buying the 30k weapons for 600tokens
greafrom the leg dungeons you now get 10-15?normal and 10-15? account bound just wow
bestest update ever not to mention that we can now only get them 3 times instead of 5

so we have stormy route left for gold
a trash dungeon that give about 150-200k less than 19 runs of ghent expert used to give
with way less gear requirement

how are new players going to be making gold???
you need to be in 100epic sets with decent enchants to be able run stormy route without a big chance of dying

I know I know
just buy things in the cera shop and sell it to the morons that still have gold lol

lets just run the special gow
that will make us all happy
yep yep

this is almost worse than when they removed the np+ contract from the vendor without saying anything about it

I realy like it
makes it so much easier to play other games
great update

[Fuyuki]

likely cuz its a batch update and they can't really exclude part of without running to to complex coding problems and our current ghent stats with the new farming up would break it for gold farming
thers like less then 2 weeks left before dnf winter festival and people expecting new lvl cap so in the long run i doubt it matters

[joj0.st4r]

I am afraid the only thing we get in this winter festival is them saying that 105cap will be the era of the "5th"
all bases class will get their 5th

and they will milk it to the max like they did with 3a with all classes will get 1active and 1passive
so they can just basically remake 3a
each month have a new class get their 5th subclass and all of them for that month get their 2 new skills
it is going to be wonderful

and since all we get is some perverted nostalgia for content
we will now be fighting Bakal or Lotus as the first new raid for 105cap

[Montiblanc]

asian mobile gambling systems don't work in NA for the majority of games they port here.

[Fuyuki]

and yet NA made more revenue then jp dfo despite newer standing in 2020, people will believe whatever is convenient to their preferences

[joj0.st4r]

I wonder if nexon japan(and we play the same version they have ...with the 20ghent runs and 5+5 ASO)
is also going to bless their playerbase with this awesome qol update

I mean I just love filling up my inventory with account bound garbage and powerfull energy that is so use(ful)...less... to me that I leap with joy
I just love spending that extra couple of minutes throwing powerfull energy in the trash after I am done with the character
every day
I just love it

maybe I should just clean up my inventory and get rid of all that old garbage that is from a period when the game was a little better...I mean different not better of course
those days are never coming back afterall
and I should clean up my account storage too
yep yep
so it is just my own fault I guess
or maybe it is a sign that i should buy extra inventory space/more storage space
who knows



it is impressive to me how they thought making everything about ghent and 5+5 worse is a qol update
I mean they knew that it was total ♥♥♥♥
why make it harder for new players? and ppl in general to make gold
and ffs just make more powerfull energy drop in the dungeon everyone already use for that
just awful and I am still pissed off
this is awful

and sure we can buy slightly more things with these tokens but nothing worth the amount it is now and how long it is going to take to get them

[Fuyuki]

95 cap was the least popular level cap for a reason and its starting to eclipse 70-86 cap with nostalgia tinted glasses

[joj0.st4r]

but like...
opening up for 6runs on OH /day 30/week
is a great change
but
they cut the rewards by a fk load so you kind of have to run 30/week now to get the same amount you got from doing 3/week (and you could buy those tickets for extra runs before)

they should have kept the amount of tokens and added more runs
=
QoL
=
good

now???

[joj0.st4r]

so what we should do basically
as a new player
is
make harlem epics (or tayberrs)

then just continue making epic souls with the harlem epics

you can transfer over amp/reinforcements/enchantments from harlem(level 95 epics) into 100epics
so a new player should just skip ghent coz it is just 100% garbage as it is
and do not bother with 100legendary
coz it just takes way too long to get

harlem gear and just continue making souls from assault mode + DC
and run fiendwar and prey

then just run gow with the epic souls you get from fiendwar and prey and those you create yourself from assault mode and DC

basically ignore the whole gearing of 100 since it is a waste of time

the alternative is wasting time in 100cap getting garbage gear that takes over 2months to get and you basically have nothing to show for it
much better getting to do GoW as fast as possible

what a strange update

[Fuyuki]

Originally posted by joj0.st4r:

what a strange update

not as strange as this advice, its just deliberately and outright outragedly bad outa negligent bias

• telling someone to out right avoid any of the early 100 cap farming dungeons deprives them of 100 cap resources like aiolites and tgs/tc which is heavily used in 100 cap
  
• each piece of 100 legs and harlem epics takes similar time to get except that this is assuming the harlem epic is upgraded from 95 legs rather then directly obtained otherwise it takes 50% longer
  
• 100 unique/ghent gears is already about on par with tay gears anyway and tay itself takes longer to get let alone actually being able to run it without a party/carry because it was meant to be difficult end game farming content in harlem epics gears during 95 cap and is now outdated content no one runs anyway, sure its easier to run now after all the buffs and rebalances patches since then but thats only player dealt dmg and you're not running it in basic rare gears whereas ghent palace actually is applicable in basic rares
  
• both 100 unique/legs were given a massive 50% drop rate boost, the original rates were already high enough that u can get a few lucky pieces by the end of the grind, the new rates makes getting lucky pieces much easier and less dependent on actually purchasing them though getting the requirement amount of mats
  
• the whole 95 legs to epics to dissemble for souls route is still rng in the end and takes additional resources in other materials which newer player wnt have access to as much without someone backing them up whereas 100 cap dungeons can drop tc and aiolites to sell for some gold
  
• as you noted yourself you can transfer amp/enchant/reinforce/refine from 95 epics but that requires 50 aiolites and and an engrave stone each of which getting enough aiolotes to transfer stats from several pieces to another is very daunting for a new player while the latter is exclusive to either running hells of which a new player wnt have the resources to get enough of for so many pieces without swiping or by getting black crystals from basement of pain and black shrine which harlem epics probably wnt be strong enough for
  
• 100 unique/leg farming mats has new alternative in budget enchants to help players to obtain decent enchants without having to buy them off of auction for a substantial amount of gold for a new player, since they uses the same mats as actually getting 100 unique/legs a new player is better off farming them in advance
  
• all 100 cap content has a chance of dropping epic (and way less likely mythic) which can quickly speed up the grind even if its just for a makeshift setup for the time being which doesnt work in 95 cap content as drops is much rarer there and confined to dawning crevice which gives practically nothing after the initial 2 runs, technically tay too but as its ran once a week a lucky drop is much rarer and getting the rest of the tay pieces still takes longer then 100 legs
  
• at 3 days per 100 leg pieces thats only 36 days at worst assuming not a single lucky drop after they boost the already high 100 leg drop rate by 50%

all do this does is tell someone to spend several weeks getting weaker gear then something else thats stronger and quicker, they even went and nerfed the difficult of GoW expert mode to the point someone in just ghent gears can clear it without too much trouble and the drop rate of epics doesnt even increase going from normal to expert either so actually running back to 95 content is jsut derailing from progression
if i could report someone for suicidality bad bad advice this would be it

[mugi]

I think they just expect people to keep grinding the dungeon beyond the bonus. To be fair, Ghent drops the uniques really frequently now. I haven't tried the legendaries though and I'm sure those suck.

[joj0.st4r]

lol there is no point in having 100 leg or uniques
and aiolites are worthless
it is better to get money from anton beads,OH,Assault mode+DC+terranium
and just buy aiolites if you want them
(and cards)
gow is all that matters and 100uniques and 100leg are just a waste of time

and as soon as you start putting together a few 100epics
you can start doing 2+2 to speed up the 100 epic drops
but a new player needs souls more than anything else
so assault mode +DC should be priority nr1
...I mean it does not hurt to do 6ghents every day
but they nerfed the time stone drop rate a couple of months ago in ghent
so if you got about 1-1.5/run of it before
it is more like 0.5-1 since
so you kind of need souls if you want to do gow


and what extra resources are you talking about?

gold cubes cost literally nothing
and cloth 20 cloth + 10 hardeners are not very expensive and a new player should have plenty
seedoflife
is about nothing aswell

and when you do 10+characters dc every day the rng drop both in epics and the extra tokens keeps piling up quickly
then 10fw and 10prey each week just doing it solo?
and you should be able to swim in epic souls in a few weeks (2months?)
to then concentrate on just getting epics from GoW instead of focusing on 100uniques and 100leg that give nothing in the end

a side note
I enjoy grinding mobs
farming
(and PvP)
and with the changes to ghent I just can not force myself to run it anymore
it is awful gold compared to 11 days ago
I am not much for raiding I find it rather dull
and with every update like this it just pushes me towards BDO even more
I want to play this game like I have been able to for over a year
but no
we are apparently spoiled
so they just giganerfed ghent...the only dungeon I found fun in 100cap
well
I still have the original ghent as challenge mode and that is nice
but the gold just is not there
Stormy route is so dull...compared to ghent
so even if the money is semi-decent it is an awful experience compared to ghent
on paper stormy route looks fun
but in reality it is not very fun at all...linear,super short,no variety,no epic drop chance basically nothing fun

[Fuyuki]

Originally posted by joj0.st4r:

and aiolites are worthless

players been asking for more ways to obtain aiolites or some way to decrease their cost/usage during the Q&A section during their bi-weekly streams through out 100 cap because obtaining them was originally suppose to be balanced out by having them drop a lot of when u kill the prion demon that you're chasing in stormy lane but was changed to drop TGS instead for global

each player spend hundreds of these per week just for raid entry alone between ozma and sirocco as the max run of both raids per character cost 120 aiolites and this was prior to the previous update which allowed players to funnel resources to a single character incentivizing players to run them even more then necessary so they're even more in demand now, they're additionally used for each epic fusion with sirocco/ozma epics then various other minor features/systems and at worst they can be used in addition to other materials to buy a random epic pot which is essentially a free guarantee epic

all that saying they're worthless tells me is that you barely even touched anything in 100 cap the past 2 years it was out and still cling to outdated 95 cap

Originally posted by joj0.st4r:

it is better to get money from anton beads,OH,Assault mode+DC+terranium

take another look at what dorothy is now selling for extinction crystals since last update, new budget enchants including +5% crit rate for belt/shoes/shoulder which effectively renders the very reason some people still farm anton moot and considering extinction crystals can be farmed on multiple characters for account bounds its not hard for someone with multiple characters to do the work of several days of farming anton (which still comes with an entry cost) within a single day
taking a look at anton beads on auction they've sharply dropped in price and what use to be +2 pages of them now doesnt fill up a single page too

Originally posted by joj0.st4r:

and what extra resources are you talking about?

gold cubes cost literally nothing
and cloth 20 cloth + 10 hardeners are not very expensive and a new player should have plenty
seedoflife
is about nothing aswell

and how sustainable do you actually think it is for a new player that typically spend +2 weeks to reach lvl cap, how many characters are they gonna mindlessly throw into outdated content just for a soul each per 3 days, how long is a player gonna be in a lack of meaningful gear until they obtain enough epics for a decent setup or even enough epic souls to binge hells long enough to assemble enough epics for a decent setup through this method, the whole dc/assault grind is supplementary NOT primary
tay gear itself is barely even enough to run the bare min of 100 cap stuff like even occulus guide mode, 100 uniques/legs is necessary just to be able to even runs some of the content in 100 cap so telling someone that anything prior to 100 epics is useless and to be avoided is basically no different then telling someone to spend months on end with nothing until something happens by chance
you can get into FW in almost anything these days which renders getting anything useless but prey raid its almost entirely dominated by 4 man which you aren't getting in with anything less then 100 epics these days unless you're doing guide mode but those limited to 5 characters so
you're literally setting someone up to be something akin to a corporates slave for months on end before anything happens, new players definitely arent tunnel visioning into grinding so bad on the spot and if they're that tryhard they'll likely to swipe a bit instead

Originally posted by joj0.st4r:

but they nerfed the time stone drop rate a couple of months ago in ghent

you just made this up, the whole point of the ghent debacle of last update is that ghent was super buffed for global since 100 cap release that when it went to kr's buff ghent rates and drops it was a nerf, people don't even farm ghent for tgs in the first place

Originally posted by joj0.st4r:

I am not much for raiding I find it rather dull

you've no right to offer any sort of advice if you don't even know the dynamics of the most recent lvl cap for the last 2 years work and the materials thats used in it, if anything your whole reply just showed your inability to comprehend what isn't from your persepective

[Montiblanc]

ah ok, so cant play game yet, sounds good, anything similar to play without as much nonsense?

[joj0.st4r]

well
I did not say I do not raid
I said I find it dull(I gear up my mains)

Aiolites are cheap
they cost less than 5k/ea and I think that is cheap (they used to cost 40k/ea for a long time lol...that might have been a little high
and the upgrade stone for the p2w epics used to only cost like 5k...so

anton beads are way faster to farm(2runs/maybe 3 if you are unlucky for one)
and ppl still bought/buy anton beads so...noone is ever going to farm 3+3 for those +5crit
(15+runs for one? maybe a little more)

and since you can not do raids in the ghent uniques...you kind of need to be in something else
(unless they changed that one and I just did not notice it)
so if you plan on doing them solo at all you need to get into something else/harlem or tb)

and I am not actually saying you should not do ghent or 3+3
what I am saying is that if you are new
and when you are not bashing ur head against ghent
for that first 12days before you get your set
you should start to set up assault mode+dc
and when you are 3months into getting your one set done on one of your characters in legendary after funneling all the account bounds to one character
you should have been able to consistantly do fw and prey and built up souls
and tb do not cost fp anymore...or was it the entry cost that was removed?
nvm
aso aso...

a new player will not touch harlem and how important it is or should be for them
leaving them to just buy runs of 3+3 and 2+2 and farm ghent to be able to afford someone to carry them through that or potentially buy things from the store to sell it for gold is not a fun/good experience
the new player experience is alot worse than it was prior to this update...and it was not very good before it
before it you run into a wall after legendary gear
now you have to climb the gigantic ghent walls before you can start running into the legendary walls
before you hit the wall... that is made slightly less bad thanks to being able to upgrade leg gear now to 100epics from the 2+2 dungeons


montblanc

winter festival is soon in korea
and they will most likely show what is to come in 105cap
good things...

[Fuyuki]

Originally posted by joj0.st4r:

Aiolites are cheap
they cost less than 5k/ea and I think that is cheap (they used to cost 40k/ea for a long time lol...that might have been a little high

120 aiolites just for 1 a single character worth of both sirocco and ozma raid for max rewards is already more then half a million at 5k each, doesnt matter how cheap it is when the total cost starts adding up due to how much is actually needed across multiple characters and the price isnt guarantee to remain at 5k each considering they only recently dropped to that price due to having 2 events running concurrently that gives players free raid entry mats so most of the heavy weekly usage of aiolites has dropped for the time being but once these 2 events is over the price will rise again

Originally posted by joj0.st4r:

anton beads are way faster to farm(2runs/maybe 3 if you are unlucky for one)
and ppl still bought/buy anton beads so...noone is ever going to farm 3+3 for those +5crit
(15+runs for one? maybe a little more)

do the math, anton gives a bit over 70 antoniums a per day and it takes 525 antoniums just for a single bead so it takes about week with the old method and antoniums is also untradeable so theres is no way to speed up progress
3+3 gives about 200 extinction crystals a day per character with half of that account bound so progresses can be speed up while also dropping more useful item and building the hell meter at the same time, beads from dorothy cost 600 so its 3-4 days per bead so a week and a half for all 3 compared to about 3 weeks with anton

but sure keep saying they added an alternate farming route for the same thing that takes longer so is ignored, if your logic is predicated on the opposition being dumb and stupid then you already know you don't make any sense

Originally posted by joj0.st4r:

and since you can not do raids in the ghent uniques...you kind of need to be in something else
(unless they changed that one and I just did not notice it)
so if you plan on doing them solo at all you need to get into something else/harlem or tb)

guess waht, people do FW in ghent and sometimes even less in just normal rares because FW has become easy enough that people hardly cares what anyone is wearing as long as there is a carry for each party, some people even get in with only half the gear slots empty too because thats just how little gear matters for FW these days
its literally free raid for anyone and everyone because you need 2 people to go into rosen anyway so you just need bodies irregardless of who or how geared that body is

prey being dominated by 4 man runs these days means anything less then 100 cap epics arent gonna get you in it anyway but if its guide mode for then then all the more argument for 100 legs since its takes similar time to obtain compared to harlem epics but is far stronger then harlem epics and with a greater chance to for a free piece from a lucky drop due to high drop rate and 6x chances per day compared to 2 for harlem in dawning crevice and also makes you applicable for even other 100 cap content at worst or its guide mode whereas harlem epics cannot

Originally posted by joj0.st4r:

and I am not actually saying you should not do ghent or 3+3
what I am saying is that if you are new
and when you are not bashing ur head against ghent
for that first 12days before you get your set
you should start to set up assault mode+dc
and when you are 3months into getting your one set done on one of your characters in legendary after funneling all the account bounds to one character
you should have been able to consistantly do fw and prey and built up souls
and tb do not cost fp anymore...or was it the entry cost that was removed?
nvm
aso aso...

100 legs takes a month at longest and this is assuming no lucky drops at all which is impossible with the 50% increase to an already high drop rate so 3 months is beyond even exaggerating, thats just a disingenuous and fraudulent lie

assault mode, DC and tay (which still cost fp) all ends up taking a sizable amount of fp in total, all 3 alone takes like half the max fp anyone would normally have on their character without neo premium too so combined with ghent and 3+3 unless the player bough neo prem they woulden't even have any fp left for anything else since ghent's shop now also gives useful enchants too

again suicidality-bad bad advice