Help with Perfecting an item

[Yiazmat]

i have a few questions about perfecting an item , if anyone could help me i would be thankful

- How many Mr. Agency Exit you need to perfect 1 item?
-Who is the best monster to put a perfect item with the focus on INT?
-How many lvls you get from a ambush & level sphere?
-Can you Perfect a Item only with ambushes or do you need to get great/good luck from the fortune teller?

[red255]

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took me 2 hours and 45 minutes. and I used 17 mr gencies, 7 of which I recovered from the bonus gauge so net of 10 gencies.

made it to floor 90 and ran thru a dummy item to crank its levels up. had the worst luck, the fortune teller consistantly gave me bad luck but yeah, still well under 4 hours.

Comments, first 30 floors didn't really care about rerolling except a dark court in the first 3 innocent towns on floors 10,20 and 30, 30 minutes tops.

next 60 floors only use a gency if you are on floor *7 or *8 and theres a mystery gate due. you gency out, force the mystery gate, and force the mystery gate on the next floor *1

Finally you hit level 90, 91. you get the mystery gate on 91 and gency out, then run thru the dummy item, where if you hit *7 or 8 with a mystery gate due, gency out force a mystery gate in the item you are leveling. gency out, and then go back into the dummy item get to the x0 maybe pick up a gency if you are running low, then go back into the item you are leveling and force another mystery gate until you'll make 200 floors.

I was on target for 160 levels at level 91 with just 3 gencies used. 5 forced mystery gates gave me 25 levels (one great luck fortune teller) think I picked up 2 level up spheres and a good luck fortune as well. 5 forced myster gates cost me 7 gencies saves alot of time just forcing the gates in the last 10 levels to cover up what you are lacking.

[red255]

OK I have a question.

So I made two super robot suits. suit one I took the attack bonus dark assembly bills on floors 10,20 and 30 attack ended up being 88674 and other stats was 46400

I made a second super robot suit. taking movement bills instead to see how much attack I got from the three bills. attack was 56993 stats for not attack were 49700.

so the question I have is why is the stats for the second one higher for things like INT? what did I screw up?

[Yiazmat]

Originally posted by red255:

OK I have a question.

So I made two super robot suits. suit one I took the attack bonus dark assembly bills on floors 10,20 and 30 attack ended up being 88674 and other stats was 46400

I made a second super robot suit. taking movement bills instead to see how much attack I got from the three bills. attack was 56993 stats for not attack were 49700.

so the question I have is why is the stats for the second one higher for things like INT? what did I screw up?

My guess is that you didnt double kill every "boss" on the second item(item general , king and god)

[red255]

pretty sure I did. but if you can go thru a super robot suit or use math to come up with the proper amount of stat INT should get when not focusing on INT that would clear things up.

[Yiazmat]

Originally posted by red255:

pretty sure I did. but if you can go thru a super robot suit or use math to come up with the proper amount of stat INT should get when not focusing on INT that would clear things up.

Perfect Robo Suit Focusing on ATK Stat
HP 99,200 SP 49,700
ATK 97,125 DEF 208,100
INT 49,700 RES 49,700
HIT 49,700 SPD 49,700

all the others stats (with the exception of HP and Def)that are not focused on atk are 49,700 , since you said you didnt miss an item boss the other possibility that what could have happen is that you didnt lvl up the item to LVL 200

[red255]

Must have missed a boss somewhere. damnit. its certainly level 200.

[Yiazmat]

Originally posted by Yiazmat:

Originally posted by red255:

OK I have a question.

I made a second super robot suit. taking movement bills instead to see how much attack I got from the three bills. attack was 56993 stats for not attack were 49700.

You dont need to experiment with bills , there is a item stats calculator , which will allow you to experiment with those things , but the calculator is on BETA

I will put the link here in case you want to try : http://disgaea.gamexploiter.com/calcs/d2_item_stat.php

[red255]

calculator doesn't seem to work for me. I'm not sure what to put in for floors I don't see a spot for specialists and it doesn't seem to care whether or not I kill off bosses.

[Yiazmat]

Originally posted by red255:

calculator doesn't seem to work for me. I'm not sure what to put in for floors I don't see a spot for specialists and it doesn't seem to care whether or not I kill off bosses.

the creator of the calcultor didnt put the option for speacialists yet and i just tested and it seems
to be working fine for me.

last floor = the last floor you went on the item ex: 79 , 95 100 , etc..
item level = the level of the item(0 - 200)

[neemoos]

Originally posted by red255:

So I made two super robot suits. suit one I took the attack bonus dark assembly bills on floors 10,20 and 30 attack ended up being 88674 and other stats was 46400

Looking at the "other" stats (at 46400), you missed some double kills on the bosses - since they aren't the stat you were trying to perfect, item generals/kings/gods are the only thing that boost those stats (other than the item's lv and a couple of other stuff, which are the same for both of your SRSs). Doing some math, you missed:
- 3 General double kills, OR
- 1 General and 1 King double kills, OR
- 1 God double kill.

Now, for the ATK stat... according to my calculations, if that was the only thing that you messed up, you should've ended up with 89231 ATK, but since it's lower, you might have screwed somewhere else as well. And since the formula for the stat you're perfecting is a lot more complex (since some of the mistakes from early floors propagate over the following ones), it's a lot harder to determine where the mistake was made. Or I just messed up my math somewhere.

[red255]

i Didn't care about 1000 attack, but 10,000 attack is more likely to be relevant.

I expect what happened Is i made it to the item god. killed him, forgot to steal the item from him.

loaded.

stole the item, forgot to double kill him. regardless it just took under 3 hours.

[red255]

So ideally you start an item, force a mystery gate, get the specialists subdued and gency out on
replaced specialists with stat specialists.
7 or 8 with a mystery gate due.

then force the mystery gate, on 7 or 8. then kill the item general and gency out then kill him again and get the dark court.


then force a gate on 11, gency out on 17 or 18 force a mystery gate do 20, double kill, dark court.
force a mystery gate on 21. get a level sphere 21-27, force a mystery gate on 27 or 28,

double kill the boss on 30, add two more specialists. dark court.

6 gencies, 6 mystery gates, 1 level sphere.

force gates on 31 and 37 or 38 get a level sphere. double kill the boss, clear floor 40 for a gency.

7 gencies, 8 mystery gates, 2 level spheres.

repeat thru 90

10 gencies, 18 mystery gates 7 level up spheres.

assuming we get 3 levels per mystery gate and 5 per sphere thats 89 levels, going to 100 thats 11 gencies, 20 mystery gates 8 level up spheres.

which hypothetically gets you to 100 with 11 net gencies. super quick, super easy.

now sometimes those mystery gates are going to spawn on their own on floor 7 or 8 so you won't gency out and it saves you a gency, and sometimes your mystery gates give 6 or 13 levels instead of 3.

so we adjust at 90, but the plan is 11 gencies 8 level up spheres, and under 3 hours.

[Yiazmat]

Originally posted by red255:

So ideally you start an item, force a mystery gate, get the specialists subdued and gency out on
replaced specialists with stat specialists.
7 or 8 with a mystery gate due.

then force the mystery gate, on 7 or 8. then kill the item general and gency out then kill him again and get the dark court.


then force a gate on 11, gency out on 17 or 18 force a mystery gate do 20, double kill, dark court.
force a mystery gate on 21. get a level sphere 21-27, force a mystery gate on 27 or 28,

double kill the boss on 30, add two more specialists. dark court.

6 gencies, 6 mystery gates, 1 level sphere.

force gates on 31 and 37 or 38 get a level sphere. double kill the boss, clear floor 40 for a gency.

7 gencies, 8 mystery gates, 2 level spheres.

repeat thru 90

10 gencies, 18 mystery gates 7 level up spheres.

assuming we get 3 levels per mystery gate and 5 per sphere thats 89 levels, going to 100 thats 11 gencies, 20 mystery gates 8 level up spheres.

which hypothetically gets you to 100 with 11 net gencies. super quick, super easy.

now sometimes those mystery gates are going to spawn on their own on floor 7 or 8 so you won't gency out and it saves you a gency, and sometimes your mystery gates give 6 or 13 levels instead of 3.

so we adjust at 90, but the plan is 11 gencies 8 level up spheres, and under 3 hours.

wouldn't be better to start forcing the mistery gate from floor 21? since there is where it starts appearing level up spheres? Then you can hunt fortune tellers and a lvl up spheres at the same time and since lvl up spheres net a +5 lvls is almost as good as a good fortune

[red255]

If we use a gency on floor 7 or 8 when a mystery gate is due, that forces two mystery gates for 1 gency, which is 6-26 levels. per gency. we have to gency out before level 10 anyways to swap off specialists.

so you are really only nitpicking about doing it on floor 17, which I'd suggest you do if you are on floor 17/18 with a mystery gate due. but if the mystery gate spawns by all means kick the can down the road.