Are fists useless?

[Daigotsu]

Reading about, everyone complains about the mix between attack and speed. A lvl 40 fist bumped with max gladiators would do less damage then a lvl 40 sword with same gladiators? If yes, by a lot?

[Meat Miracle]

The ultimate Fist skill, Big Bang, has no setup/positioning requirements, affects a 3x3 area in front of you, and has an up/down range of 64 meters. They hit everything that is in front of you even if the terrain is extremely deformed. Only downside is the high SP cost, and that they do elemental (fire) damage - elemental damage can be both great and horrible, depending on your luck (if enemies have resistance, or if there are fire elemental damage modifier geo panels).

They are VERY useful in the item world. A couple of high level fist users can bulldoze through the levels.

At least one fist user is required for the item world anyway, to punch monsters off the exit panels. Although, you already come with a decent one by default (Adell).

[BirdVert]

Fist weapons are awesome. Just use sprinters instead of gladiators.

Thief steal chance is not affected by the char hit, only the hit on the stealing hand counts for anything. you're better off just having a high level thief with a lvl 25 thief lover.

[davidb11]

Yeah, the stealing formula in this game is a bit confusing. :) They also keep changing it every game...

Fist skills are amazing though, and I was never aware of anyone not using them.
Big Bang alone is amazing, in this game, it literally lives up to it's name, and Adell destroying and recreating the universe every time he punches is pretty damn awesome. :)

[Yal]

Yeah, fist skills are a LOT more awesome this time around right off the bat... Triple Strike moves enemies around, and Tiger Charge is a heavy damage attack at the range of a gun attack that lets you punch enemies at a safe distance instead of a prohibitive attack that is so situational to use and always puts you in danger (like in disgaea 1). And of course, fists adds 2 counters, so even your clerics can strike back with one equipped.

[ttvLowtierGoose]

Fist are by far the most useful weapon to me right next to sword damage plus movement it's like a whole nuke action with Adell with me aha I like to stick to fist since Adell loves to use his aha

[Darkfiro]

Originally posted by davidb11:

Yeah, the stealing formula in this game is a bit confusing. :) They also keep changing it every game...

Fist skills are amazing though, and I was never aware of anyone not using them.
Big Bang alone is amazing, in this game, it literally lives up to it's name, and Adell destroying and recreating the universe every time he punches is pretty damn awesome. :)

How can a Human cause a Big bang with his fists did he do the One punch man training? (yes I'm Aware that Disgaea 2 Curse memories came out first) also no spoilers you might not know who's listening.

[ttvLowtierGoose]

^yup

[davidb11]

Big Bang isn't much of a spoiler, since it's the name of a fist skill.
I don't think it is, anyhow.

I also wouldn't worry about the universe thing either, this is Disgaea we're talking about. Laharl loves crashing down meteors big enough to kill off the dinosaurs, others use abilities that make Cyrax's destroy the world Fatality look normal and tame, etc.

[Darkfiro]

Originally posted by davidb11:

Big Bang isn't much of a spoiler, since it's the name of a fist skill.
I don't think it is, anyhow.

I also wouldn't worry about the universe thing either, this is Disgaea we're talking about. Laharl loves crashing down meteors big enough to kill off the dinosaurs, others use abilities that make Cyrax's destroy the world Fatality look normal and tame, etc.

I'm not concern about the attacks Dood. Prinnies deserved thier Respect dood. Beside the Ham is there any Ham better than GORDON DEFENDER OF EARTH!!!!! in D2?

[The Shadow of Death]

Fists are arguably my favourite weapon type, especially in later Disgaea games where the Speed stat is actually used, and dual stat specialists come into play.

While Fists aren't capable of dishing out as much raw damage as Swords, they make up for it in being useful for knocking objects around (this includes geo symbols). If I recall correctly, you can hit a symbol that is currently not on an invincible panel with a special that will knock it onto a panel that does have 'invincible', and it will be destroyed, starting a chain. Again, that's more useful in later iterations of the series where Mighty Enemy effect comes into play (because I think Mighty Enemy effect is Invincibility + No Lifting effect). Still useful in general, because you can save yourself a character throwing the symbol.

Plus the usual 'can knock enemies off the gates' business.

And speed increasing your evasiveness is always nice.

[Malek Deneith]

Originally posted by Kurohito:

Originally posted by Raven:

ah I had to edit cus I would feel bad/neglectful if I didn't mention blue tink is the best runner though

The difference is too big? Though I would need a thief anyways. If using blue tink as runner, what weapon would you give to the thief?

Tink has inherent +2 or +3 move in his blue form that's pretty nice to have. More importantly though he is a flying unit and thus can move through spaces occupied by enemy units, which is *the* most important quality for a good item runner.