Where are the British subs?

[kimdownunder]

Seems to me there is a wasted opportunity in UBoat to add to the engagement. It is a fact that British subs, in varying numbers, lurked along the routes the UBoats used to transit to their patrol areas. Once clear of the shallows a UBoat couldn’t ignore the possibility ( small though it may have been) of being torpedoed while on the surface.
So, instead of those event-free transits I always seem to have, I think it might be interesting to have an occasional British sub, submerged, ready to fire a four-salvo spread at me.
It would certainly make one post plenty of lookouts. AND, if there were specialist points available for “ lookout” skill, one could work on putting together a set of Eagle-eyed bridge crew.

[DECAFBAD]

You can emulate this yourself by selecting your save and clicking delete

(they would not fire four-salvo spreads, but rather 8 to 10 torpedoes, to avoid any chance of missing)

[SpaceBikerV]

According to uboat.net, there were 24 uboats known to have been sank by Allied submarines

There were more than 1100 uboats in the kriegsmarine. So the odds of being killed by another sub would be ~0.02%

If it were to be part of the game, then it should be exceedingly rare

[kimdownunder]

Originally posted by DECAFBAD:

You can emulate this yourself by selecting your save and clicking delete

(they would not fire four-salvo spreads, but rather 8 to 10 torpedoes, to avoid any chance of missing)

Decaf, to my knowledge there were no Allie subs with more than six forward tubes, so an eight to ten salvo wouldn’t be possible.

[Noctover]

Originally posted by kimdownunder:

Originally posted by DECAFBAD:

You can emulate this yourself by selecting your save and clicking delete

(they would not fire four-salvo spreads, but rather 8 to 10 torpedoes, to avoid any chance of missing)

Decaf, to my knowledge there were no Allie subs with more than six forward tubes, so an eight to ten salvo wouldn’t be possible.

Nothing a bit of duct tape wont fix.

[er.tz]

Average number of U-boats sunk monthly 1939-1945:

by surface craft: 5
by a combination of surface craft and aircraft: 0.9
by aircraft: 5.1
By submarine 1
by unknow causes 1

Source: Antisubmarine warfare in WWII.

So every month 1 allied submarine sunk 1 uboat as average since 1939 to 1945. That is no small number.

One of their tactics was sniping when uboats left ports. Perhaps that could be replicated in the game. When you leave port there is a very small chance that you are attacked (that kind of attack should be rare), lets say with no electric torpedos so we have a chance to detect them (the watch should detect the wakes) and make an evasion move (a chance to spam of no detectable electric torpedos should be in hardcore difficulty).

[PMVP]

how would that scenario work in game? if you wouldn´t spot the submarine (cause it would be submerged) and you would travel with a 1000x compression then from gameplay wise POV, it would be the same as if your game would suddenly crash to desktop, just an instant game over, (you have been torpedoed). adding enemy submarines would be the same as just adding random game over to the game. I would be very angry if that would be hapenning to me :D

[Skolopendra]

just few days ago, i was encountered a hostile sub, under the British flag.
both boats (my, and "hostile" was on surface)

Funny fact it was a type VIIC boat :) but little faster than my boat.

We both went to periscope depth for and manuvered, trying to get the firing position for a long time, and "hostile" boat fired 4 torpedo salvo at me, and then added from stern tube too.

But torpedos was set on a shallow depth, so there was no harm at all and at least one - passed over my boat.
Then i chased "enemy" sub for a long time, and it submerged deep first, and then went to surface.

So i waited till it appears on a surface, blown my tanks, and managed to achieve few hits :) by 8.8 gun... at least half of enemy crew (sailors with english names, no officers) survived. and using standard lifeboats :) abandoned the boat.

BDU was happy, and scored me a standard kill.

[GrinderX9]

The we can pretend chrash to desktop are "sunk by submarine" perfect for dead is dead playthroughs 😅

[Skolopendra]

Originally posted by GrinderX9:

The we can pretend chrash to desktop are "sunk by submarine" perfect for dead is dead playthroughs 😅

I don't see any problems. Because the enemy submarine also needs to charge batteries and breathe air.
So there is a very high probability that the meeting will take place when both boats are on the surface. And then who saw who first.

Actually, I talked about such a meeting in the message above

One nuance: the AI ​​of enemy boats must be configured to fight other submarines. Because actually the shortcomings of the AI ​​prevented the "British" from sinking me.

Well, a more authentic model of the boat would also be nice :)

[Stoerte]

Originally posted by kimdownunder:

Originally posted by DECAFBAD:

You can emulate this yourself by selecting your save and clicking delete

(they would not fire four-salvo spreads, but rather 8 to 10 torpedoes, to avoid any chance of missing)

Decaf, to my knowledge there were no Allie subs with more than six forward tubes, so an eight to ten salvo wouldn’t be possible.

To my knowledge most of the UK subs had four bow tubes and no stern. The 6-4 setup were US fleet boats and I don't think any of those were used in the Atlantic. They were busy sinking Marus.

[DECAFBAD]

T-class subs were built specifically against warships and had 10 torpedo tubes in total, 8 of which faced forwards.

[kimdownunder]

Originally posted by er.tz:

Average number of U-boats sunk monthly 1939-1945:

One of their tactics was sniping when uboats left ports. (Snip).

Yes, I meant the possibility of a random attack after leaving port, not sub v sub ASW combat.
Just a little something to keep our crews on their toes. Maybe only a 1 or 2 percent chance of being sunk.

[AlchemyTwo]

Originally posted by SpaceBikerV:

According to uboat.net, there were 24 uboats known to have been sank by Allied submarines

There were more than 1100 uboats in the kriegsmarine. So the odds of being killed by another sub would be ~0.02%

If it were to be part of the game, then it should be exceedingly rare

Your calculation is wrong - it's 2.2% or 1 in 50. Still rare, but frequent enough to be something of a concern.

[r4y30n]

Originally posted by Stoerte:

Originally posted by kimdownunder:

Decaf, to my knowledge there were no Allie subs with more than six forward tubes, so an eight to ten salvo wouldn’t be possible.

To my knowledge most of the UK subs had four bow tubes and no stern. The 6-4 setup were US fleet boats and I don't think any of those were used in the Atlantic. They were busy sinking Marus.

The Royal Navy was big on external tubes. Here's 8 forward, the top two are external. And right under the flags in back are another two external tubes, sometimes they faced aft as here, sometimes they faced forward making for 10 total.

https://laststandonzombieisland.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/hms-thorough-p324-a-t-class-submarine.jpeg

[kgoodwinvoodoo]

Tipperary.