Carry tea to BRITAIN but not involved in the war?

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I intercept a swedish ship , the document tells me that the ship carry tea to liverpool but the game tells me according to document this ship is not involved in the war and sinking it may cause an diplomacy incident .

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gameversion :b129p18
mods:
*ww1 flag
*easier resupply
*expand ship name
*allied radio music expansion

[Raf1394]

I once had a unarmed Portugese Freighter all alone heading to Liverpool. With ammunition from the port of Vigo Spain.

I inspected the ship, and also not involved with the war.

What they transport is not really important, you just have to prove that they are involved with the war.

When you spot a neutral ship traveling alone, it is likely not involved in the war, but when you see three neutral ships in group heading to England, there is a big chance they are using a false neutral flag, sink them.

[RimmerA]

I've encountered this before too. Shipping documents say they're heading to Liverpool but "They're not involved in the War effort"

But the shipping documents indicate that they're heading to a blockaded port, so they are in fact a fair prize.

[Trygger]

I had a weird bug of sorts where I saw a ship with a Swiss flag, I believe, (It was with a Portuguese ship which did seem actually neutral) yet the indicator on the HUD thing said American at one point. (America still hasn't joined the Allies yet so even if it is American, they're still neutral)

I inspect them. Documents say carrying Ammunition to Vigo, IIRC. Ammo is NOT a "Valid Import" for that port. The game gives me an option to call the Captain out on it. Captain gives a response saying this happens all the time, etc. and the game said something suggesting he's telling the truth.

I search the cargo hold, and yes, he's carrying large caliber AP shells.

I tell him to evacuate, and the message displayed was the one you normally see if he's actually neutral. (There's two different "Reactions" from the captain when you tell them to evacuate. Judging from the code, if he EXPLICITLY says he's a neutral ship in that message, he's not a valid prize, but if he doesn't, he's valid.)


I sink him anyway out of curiosity. I return to port expecting to get slapped but it was indeed flying a false flag. I forgot what the game said though (if it was actually UK or US) but it's listed as US in the little results screen after the game "Tallies up" each individual ship you sunk during the mission.

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Calanda. Again, US is still neutral. I did attack a convoy later but the Calanda was not in that convoy.

It does indeed seem the "They're not carrying contraband" message is extremely unreliable. There is actually a "Yeah they're full of ammunition, they're helping the war effort, you can sink them" message in the code but I've never seen it. Not sure if it's bugged (Ammo wasn't listed as a valid import so shouldn't it still be contraband even if the captain bluffs?) or an intentional design choice. (I.E. player is supposed to make the choice with limited information and accept responsibility if they're neutral)


Also, about the tea, if you get a message saying they're hiding tea (It explicitly mentions something about them hiding tea underneath the goods) AFAIK you can sink them without consequence, since the UK is the world's #1 tea importer and if they're going through the effort of hiding the tea they're probably shipping it to the UK and were hoping nobody would look.

[RimmerA]

Originally posted by Trygger:

Ammo is NOT a "Valid Import" for that port. The game gives me an option to call the Captain out on it. Captain gives a response saying this happens all the time, etc. and the game said something suggesting he's telling the truth.

Every time I've called the Captain out on their cargo not being a valid import I've gotten the "He seems to be right." message. Even if he wasn't.

[Vesborg]

I once had a swedish ship that according to documents were heading for Rotterdam. That seemed a bit odd, since its course was NNE in the Irish sea. So I stated that the route was incorrect, but got the message that the route is correct and "He seems to be right".

And it carried rubber, but that did not seem stange to my crew either.
I should have sunk it.

[DECAFBAD]

Your "Merchant" and "Navigator" crewmates are just gullible.

Sink the ships headed for blockaded ports. It's easy to see which way they are going in the Atlantic. Near the West-African coast, that's a completely different story.

[PafunaMT]

A scene on a freighter stopped by a U-boot, somewhere in the North Atlantic...

U-boot captain: ...wait a moment, let's go over this again - you say you are NOT involved in war activities, right?
Freighter captain: Tha's right, guv.
U-boot captain: And you're definitely not taking tea into Great Britain, right?
Freighter captain: Right, guv.
U-boot captain: So why does your shipping manifest say you are taking tea into the Port of Liverpool?
Freighter captain: Eh, wot?
U-boot captain: ... Liverpool, Great Britain. Tea. Says it right here.
Freighter captain: No no no, guv, you've misread that. We're not going to Liverpool with tea, we're going to Liverpool with tea. No war effort here, guv!
U-boot captain: ...
Freighter captain: Right, that's sorted, can we go now?

[Indvstrial Black]

♥♥♥♥ I've been sinking any ship I see. I suppose I should check what they are first.

[Raf1394]

Did U-boats sank US freighters delivering goods to the Uk? During 1940-1941?

Yes USA was neutral. But they supported the war effort and are helping the UK with the Lend Lease act. Did German U-boats attacked them? or did BDU ordered them not to engange US vessels?

I'm talking before the declaration of war in december 1941.

[RimmerA]

Originally posted by Rafik1994:

Did U-boats sank US freighters delivering goods to the Uk? During 1940-1941?

Yes USA was neutral. But they supported the war effort and are helping the UK with the Lend Lease act. Did German U-boats attacked them? or did BDU ordered them not to engange US vessels?

I'm talking before the declaration of war in december 1941.

You may be interested in reading about the "Undeclared War"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkArqS9y1D0