VIIC and VIIC/41 Unlockable Too Early + Training Missions Needed

[ValDeez]

U-69 was the first VIIC commissioned in 2nd Nov 1940.
U-292 was the first VIIC/41 commissioned in 25th Aug 1943.
These historical dates should be the earliest you can use that blue ticket to unlock these types.

When switching to a new U-boat, the first mission should be a specifically scripted training mission, where (historically) the U-boat was put through her paces and had her limits tested.
The mission can consist of something following:
- taking the U-boat out to friendly waters (like Baltic Sea)
- maintaining surface speed of x nmi for x hours
- staying submerged for x hours while running at x speed
- submerged torpedo attack on a mock target (stripped cargo or old warship)
- diving to maximum depth (for example 200m for VIIC, 250m for VIIC/41)

The random events that could occur:
- engine failure (fire, smoke, drop of oxygen)
- battery malfunction
- crew injuries
- torpedo launch failure
- hull leaks, when testing maximum depth
- enemy destroyer appearing during one of the malfunctions

[Cheyenesku]

Originally posted by ValDeez:

U-69 was the first VIIC commissioned in 2nd Nov 1940.
U-292 was the first VIIC/41 commissioned in 25th Aug 1943.
These historical dates should be the earliest you can use that blue ticket to unlock these types.

When switching to a new U-boat, the first mission should be a specifically scripted training mission, where (historically) the U-boat was put through her paces and had her limits tested.
The mission can consist of something following:
- taking the U-boat out to friendly waters (like Baltic Sea)
- maintaining surface speed of x nmi for x hours
- staying submerged for x hours while running at x speed
- submerged torpedo attack on a mock target (stripped cargo or old warship)
- diving to maximum depth (for example 200m for VIIC, 250m for VIIC/41)

The random events that could occur:
- engine failure (fire, smoke, drop of oxygen)
- battery malfunction
- crew injuries
- torpedo launch failure
- hull leaks, when testing maximum depth

could be a difficulty toggle. Type IIs are not very wolf cub friendly. ;)

[Mouse Rat]

its a SP game dude.. if you don't wanna buy the sub till then.. DON'T

[dbond1]

House rules. If you don't think you should have these things early, don't do it.

[ValDeez]

Originally posted by dbond1:

House rules. If you don't think you should have these things early, don't do it.

It's not what I "think", it is what it IS, dude.
This isn't Final Fantasy: U-boat Edition.

[dbond1]

Sure

[ELB]

The game doesnt aim to be a 1:1 simulation. Lots of stuff can happen earlier than it actually did.

[kandnil]

Originally posted by ValDeez:

Originally posted by dbond1:

House rules. If you don't think you should have these things early, don't do it.

It's not what I "think", it is what it IS, dude.
This isn't Final Fantasy: U-boat Edition.

In a way, it is precicely that. UBOAT, like all other games, is just that. A game. Light entertainment. 10,000 hours playing UBOAT will not qualify anybody to serve onboard any submarine, historical or new, nor will it qualify anyone for a job as a museum curator.

[ValDeez]

Originally posted by kandnil:

Originally posted by ValDeez:

It's not what I "think", it is what it IS, dude.
This isn't Final Fantasy: U-boat Edition.

In a way, it is precicely that. UBOAT, like all other games, is just that. A game. Light entertainment. 10,000 hours playing UBOAT will not qualify anybody to serve onboard any submarine, historical or new, nor will it qualify anyone for a job as a museum curator.

Well, hopefully the devs have higher standards than you.

[kandnil]

It's not about standards. It's about reality vs makebelief. Please don't tell me that you think a home pc simulator is an actual training tool for a real life job.

[ValDeez]

Originally posted by kandnil:

It's not about standards. It's about reality vs makebelief. Please don't tell me that you think a home pc simulator is an actual training tool for a real life job.

No, but I do think you are master at constructing strawmen. Please, tell me more what I think.

[Mouse Rat]

Originally posted by ValDeez:

Well, hopefully the devs have higher standards than you.

You do realize it's a game where you can easily cheat yourself from the start into the best possible gear available.. no matter how much devs would try to stop you from doing so?

And that is also perfectly acceptable since its a single player game on which you decided to spend money to buy to enjoy a few hours every now and gain.
Thus you can and should play it however you feel like it.. this fake snuffness is ridiculous.

You have zero leg to stand on.

[kandnil]

Where exactly is this strawman that you see? If you don't want to sail a VIIC before the historical date, then heed what others have said: Don't sail the VIIC before the historical date. Me, I couldn't care less if I have a VIIC in 1939. It's a game, light entertainment.

[[XIII]Opsec]

It's just like you can research things before their actual research date... You can play the game as historically as you like, or you can create what-if scenarios

[ValDeez]

Originally posted by Mouse Rat:

Originally posted by ValDeez:

Well, hopefully the devs have higher standards than you.

You do realize it's a game where you can easily cheat yourself from the start into the best possible gear available.. no matter how much devs would try to stop you from doing so?

And that is also perfectly acceptable since its a single player game on which you decided to spend money to buy to enjoy a few hours every now and gain.
Thus you can and should play it however you feel like it.. this fake snuffness is ridiculous.

You have zero leg to stand on.

Well, they don't give you VIID and VIIC/41 right on the 1st September 1939, which means that there is at least SOME thought and consideration by the devs about historical accuracy that went into this game. Which means that hopefully they can up their standards a bit and fix this oversight.

I'm sure you can always cheat and use the console commands to get the best U-boat to win the game, so no harm done to your playstyle.

[ValDeez]

Originally posted by kandnil:

Please don't tell me that you think a home pc simulator is an actual training tool for a real life job.

Never said anything like that - that's your strawman.